Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! | Dark Humor Conversations On Mental Health, Trauma & Society
If you live with mental illness — or love someone who does — and you’re tired of sugar-coated wellness talk, this show is for you.
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! (AKA “BTMHOOI!”) is a candid mental health podcast with dark humor and lived-experience truth. We tell it like it is, so you don’t have to.
Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) and frequently joined by co-host Tony Medeiros (“IndyPocket”), we have brutally honest conversations about serious mental illness, trauma, and the real-world systems that shape mental health. Topics include schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, psychosis, bipolar disorder, BPD, PTSD, depression, anxiety, addiction recovery, religious trauma, psychiatric medication, disability, good therapy, bad therapy, psych wards, and practical real-world coping — plus relationships, family dysfunction, work, creativity, and society.
You’ll hear:
- Lived-experience perspective from someone navigating psychosis, relapse, parenting, and recovery in real time.
- No-BS conversations about what helps, what doesn’t, and what the mental health stigma gets wrong.
- Dark humor and honest storytelling that educates and humanizes instead of sensationalizing.
- Interviews with everyday people, professionals, and notable guests, because mental health struggles don’t care who you are.
This show is for anyone trying to survive therapy, meds, trauma, and everyday chaos — or trying to understand a loved one who is. If you want language for what you’re experiencing, conversations that don’t flinch, and a judgment-free vibe with some laughs along the way, you’re in the right place.
We’re not your therapists — we’re fellow passengers on “The Struggle Bus,” sharing what we’ve learned the hard way and refusing to suffer in silence.
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! | Dark Humor Conversations On Mental Health, Trauma & Society
Drumming, Rhythm & Cognitive Skills | Chris Brien
In this episode, we explore how drumming shapes cognition by improving attention, learning, and neuroplasticity—alongside the fascinating concepts of synesthesia and authentic ASMR.
Join us for a candid discussion on practice systems, teaching mindsets, and discover why rhythm training can sharpen your cognitive abilities both on and off the kit.
You will learn about rhythm as a form of brain training: from subdivisions and steady time to deep practice techniques. We also delve into how synesthesia allows us to hear in color and how it has implications in music and learning. Additionally, we discuss the neurological calm that true ASMR delivers in contrast to internet gimmicks, and how effective teaching fosters curiosity through deep practice and meaningful repetitions.
This episode is perfect for anyone interested in the intersection of music, learning, and cognitive development, while also providing insights that can enhance your teaching or practicing journey.
HEY DRUMMERS! Try 5 minutes of steady subdivisions (quarters → 8ths → triplets → 16ths at one tempo). Post your focus rating before/after on our Discord "The Struggle Bus." (link below)
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! (AKA “BTMHOOI!”) is a candid mental health podcast rooted in lived experience: schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, BPD, PTSD, trauma recovery, coping skills, and dark humor that helps make serious mental illness more understandable and human.
Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) with frequent co-host Tony Medeiros (“IndyPocket”), we cover psych wards, psychiatric medication, disability, religious trauma, good therapy, bad therapy, and practical real-world coping — plus the societal and relationship issues that shape mental health every day. The goal isn’t just “fighting stigma.” It’s education, clarity, and honest conversation.
We interview everyone from everyday people to public figures, clinicians, and professionals, because mental health struggles don’t care who you are. If you’re willing to share your story or expertise, we aim to offer a safe, judgment-free space where you can speak openly — and still have some fun while doing it.
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...Hey everybody, Defective Schizo Effective here. Before you guys enjoy another fantastic episode of Bottom Hoochie, we wanted to inform you that due to the location of our guest being in the wonderful country of Australia, we did have many technical issues, including some faulty audio, and we even lost the first ten minutes of this episode. But don't worry about that because all we did was bullshit about our favorite horror movies. So you're not really missing out on anything of any substance. But admittedly, some things were edited together and pieced together, and some of it may not sound the best or look the best, but we got most of the interview, and it was an amazing interview. So either way, please enjoy this episode of Bottom Hui with our very special guest, Chris Bryan. Hello. And we're back. Sorry for technical difficulties. That's right.
SPEAKER_00:I was talking about uh uh a swimmer, you can look her up. She's called Lisa Forrest. Uh the the fantastic athlete. She went on to become a very successful journalist. The um um she obviously inspired a lot of people went to school with. The one of the guys went to school with, uh, he was the Jamie McTeague, he's a film director. One of the he's done many big movies. One of his big movies is a movie called Viva Vendetta, uh, which was a massive movie. You know him? Viva Vendetta. There was another guy at school with another guy at school with, he was involved in developing the camera used in the Titanics, everything's in focus. Uh there's another guy. At one point, a lot of these now Jamie McTeague, who is the director, he's he's a giant. He wasn't bullied, but some of the other ones were bullied, and I can see that they were probably influenced by Lisa. Another one I won't mention his name, became one of the most successful clothes designers in Australia. Uh, another one won't mention his name. He's an artist, he's painted either two or three Archibald Prizes. When you paint an Archibald Prize, you're painting the Queen of England. Um, and that's going like the Australian Museum or Buckman Palace. He's done like two or three of those. There's other people as well who did really well. And then I think this girl obviously had an influence on us. She certainly had influence on me. Not directly, but looking back, uh, when she talk about, oh, I swim before school, I swim after school, I'm a fish on the weekends, and comes top right in the top one top 1% of the HSC high school certificate looks like SATs. That is that's going to influence you. Uh so anyway, so um, and she was an extremely confident girl, obviously. She's about six foot, big girl, um, and never had no enemies, nice. I never really knew her. Uh, but there's other people as well who've done very well. And there's um there's a girl I went to school with who became very successful in education to Aboriginal uh um culture in Australia, and she's Aboriginal. She's done very well. Oh, that's there's you can see there has to be some influence from that. There's some very talented people in my school. At school, they're just you know kids. But you can see I've met some of the teachers over the years past then that said, oh, the people who graduated in 82 and 81 were very so very talented people in those years. And teaching, you do get certain years, people are for some reason, whether it's you know bubble warming or hate speech or something, it's not, but something they produce it produces uh um very talented people. Anyway, so so I'm so I'm getting itchy here because of the the pollen. The um No, you're fine, you're fine. That's fine. So what was I saying? Uh that basically that's what happened. So there was another time when I had to play, and this this just sort of, you know, made me realize this is really cool. I it was a morning at school, and the teacher, she was a great most people hated the teacher. I love Cheryl Bryant. Wasn't that Cheryl Bryant? She was so cool. She let me do drum solos. Uh every lesson I played drums. She was maybe she just wanted to have a break, I don't know. But one day she came in the music class and said, Okay, guys, uh there you want to go and play in the hall today? Okay. Uh and there was a few drummers in the class. Who want to do it? No one wanted to do it. I'll do it, okay. We're gonna play. Play a blues, okay, fine. Uh follow me. And I got down there, the hall, which is basketball court, was full of people. Full of, you know, I don't care. And I was just a kid, I think I was 16. And uh, you know, remember dum dum ka, dum dun ka, dum, doom, ba, dum, do, all that sort of stuff. And finished and and like, yeah, very clever. And uh left. The following day, the vice principal comes up to me at lunchtime. Now, the vice principal only comes up to you at lunchtime if you only get the cane. It's the only reason he comes up to you. Right. He didn't know my name. And he said uh he knew my brother's name because my brother was the most feared guy in the school, but he didn't know my name. Um and he said, Christian, you're not in trouble. Okay, okay. Yes, Mr. Mace. Uh he said, I'd like to thank you for yesterday. You made the school look fantastic. Thank you. Uh, okay. But a week later, he sent a letter over to my home to my parents saying, I think your son should do music as a career. It changed my life. So some sort of posters bullet the whole time, which is ignored. I had his three pimples in his face. All of a sudden, your son should be doing this, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And um, it was great. So for then I realized, okay, I went to catering college, which was was gay. I mean, literally, it was terrible. Um, I did the catering college thing, you know. You know, where's your tumble bund? You haven't shaven properly. Um, oh, yes, you your needles should be threaded. You haven't got time to thread needles. Uh, you can't use a light, it'll explode. You've got to use a match. Um, which is on on. You don't know. The the the fourth is one centimeter too far to the left. You need to fix that. Oh my god, okay. Uh I hated that crap. You complete it, you finish it, you work in the industry, you know, in clubs and stuff, and say, hang on, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I can't stand drunkins, uh, I I don't like idiots, so I got out of it. Um, but I went to that because the reason I didn't go to the conservatorium and study music, there was nothing at the Sydney Conservatorium for contemporary music. And the jazz studies course that was set up by James Morris, one of the greatest musicians in the world, uh, you had to be a piano player to get into it. And I wasn't.
SPEAKER_01:That's interesting.
SPEAKER_00:Um and the jazz studies course isn't a fantastic course at the Sydney Conservatorium. I don't know if you guys know who James Morrison is, but he's he's uh um uh what's an Antoro Sanderval, how do you say his name? Tony? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, definitely not Sandoval, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He says uh James Morrison is the greatest trumper in the world. James Morrison plays every single brass instrument ever made. He says, I play every instrument except the drum set, which I know is a lie. Um his brother John Morrison, who's just as incredible, but he's my favorite jazz drummer. Um they're both pilots, they're Absale, they're comedians, uh they're incredible people. Um but so the anyway, so uh James Morrison. What was I saying about James Morrison? I forgot what I was saying. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Well, you're saying that he was a great teacher. He's the best teacher in the world. He's the best teacher I've seen. I just adore uh James Morrison. Most Australians do. He's he's a sort of chubby, smiling guy, incredible guy. So so you mentioned that he had the you had to be able to play piano to get into his own. Oh, yeah, exactly. James Morrison. Because James Morris Morrison's mentor, who died, sadly died about, I think, 10, 15, 20 years ago, uh, Don Morrison. Don Burroughs, who set up, who was the grandfather of Australian jazz, he set up the uh Sydney Jazz uh course, jazz studies course at the Sydney Conservative can't speak, the Sydney Conservatory of Music. Ironically, about 10 years later, they fired him because he didn't have a qualification, even though he wrote the course. Um is a reminder a lot of these institutes would not allow Beethoven or Mozart to teach there because they don't have the certificate, which is just stupid. Um then James Morrison left.
SPEAKER_01:And we're back.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry. Technical difficulties once again. Once again, but we are back. This is gonna work this time, I can feel it.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, Chris.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. So we just finished talking about the great James Morrison. Yeah, the James Morrison jazz school. That was actually a really cool story. I'll tell you what's uh that your high school really produced a lot of uh prolific individuals.
SPEAKER_00:A lot of very good people. Uh yeah, uh we don't know why. Because my gym teacher, our gym teacher, I'll say his name, Chris Dawson. Uh Hollywood's talking about making a movie about him called The Teacher's Pet. Yeah. He he when I was in year eleven, uh he used to spend time with uh one of the girls went at the school with Joanne Curtis, he used to spend time with her in the staff room. Now the staff room is the size of a closet. Now being a naive uh recovering bullied kid at school, I didn't know what girls were for when I was 16, you know. I they'll just I thought they'll do for going to a bathroom and and spending hours in the uh looking at their face with makeup and going dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, don't put in their wall paint on, uh, and um just complaining the UFO movies were stupid, as my sisters would tell me. So I don't know what girls are for. Well, obviously he was having an affair with this girl, and she was uh turned out it took 40 years for the bloody Sydney the police put them away, because they were in on it too. This guy and his brother, his brother should be in prison too, Paul Dawson. Uh they were famous rugby league players, they're twins. Um, and the poor Chris Dawson played at my school, Cromer High in Sydney, which is uh rat bag teachers, but great students. Uh the some of the teachers that some of the teachers that teach they were fantastic. Uh the um, they weren't all ratbags, and his brother taught at Fred's Forest, which is about a 10-minute drive from Cromer. And they're both doing the deed with all these girls. So they'd worked out they had this, you know, this smoggus ball, this endless talent coming through. So what this this this moron did was, which the police have pretty much proven he's in prison now with the rest of his life, he murdered his wife, because this girl became their nanny. And he was he was doing her at school and at home, murdered his wife. Uh, friends I've got who work in the building trade think, okay, he's either buried her in concrete, or this is on the northern beach of Sydney, or they've he's got in a boat with his crooked brother or someone, chained her up, and taken her off to the take gone, you know, 25 kilometers out from Sydney to the continental shelf and dropped her in, you know, thousands of feet of water so the crabs and the prawns can eat her. But when you drop that deep, you become toothpaste. There's nothing left. So uh he was denying, he kept saying for 40 years, joined a religious cult, did this. She joined a religious cult, but she never used a credit card, never used a Medicare card. I mean, come on. I mean, you can no even religious religious, even religious cult people get colds and flus and infections, have to go to a doctor. I mean, seriously, have to get their teeth cleaned, you've got to use your Medicare card. Um uh so he was uh my gym teacher, and he was uh a nightmare. And when I was young, I didn't know what girls are for. All I knew was he was a creep. He was an absolute creep. I don't know, I didn't know the word creep what it meant. As I got old, I realized that's why I didn't like that guy. There's a guy I went to school with Tony, who was the biggest guy in the school. He loved me to death. He was my brother's, one of my brother's best friends. And he and my brother and a few other guys are the most feared guys in my school. Um, those pretty tough guys there. Pony was asked to leave any year 10. He was he almost sent the note. The note said, Your son is not working at our school for the final two years of high school. We thought just because he's a naughty boy. Turned out he'd been threatening this Chris Dawson guy. I'll beat the living crap out of you, and I'll go to the police and tell them why I stuck a board, uh, a fin off a surfboard up your ass. I'll tell them why I literally did that, and then you have to explain them why you've been having sex with girls at school. Um, so you have some great students at our school, we have some rat bag teachers. Um, this is McGuy with the uh uh Jolly teacher, an angel. Cheryl Bryant, the music teacher, an angel. One of the teachers they were taught, I won't say what subject subject it is, I won't mention his name. He was hideous. One of these guys go around the assembly, they're not the right shoes. That's contraband. Never ask the kid, are your parents financially struggling? They can't afford to buy more than one pair of shoes. Are you, you know, I found out about six years ago, he got beaten up. And the person who told me it was the school teacher said, it's terribly got beaten up. I said, you know what? I'll call that karma. Sorry. God, the universe. I say God, karma. He got his just doing. How many lives did he ruin? How many kids killed themselves because of the nightmare he put him through? And this Chris Dawson maniac. How many they I mean he's got grandkids he he he got through this woman he had sex with. It was it was it, she was a child. She hadn't finished growing it. She's a baby.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:She was a baby.
unknown:You're right.
SPEAKER_00:And she hates his gut. She's a victim.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's terrible. Um, I didn't know what was going on. And the fact that an adult can do that to a child, when I hear that the adults doing things like their children, particularly us being parents or parents, I think myself, ah, that's what crossbows were invented for. I get it now. Do the Rambo. You know, nail them to a door, you know. Uh so that you know, they're gonna, you know, it's yeah, that's I think that's what crossbows are for. None of these firing squads with electric chairs, no. Seriously, um, I I I I'm I don't agree killing anyone. I'm just saying it's just hideous. I went to school this monster. This monster. I hate the guy. And my brother's one of these Tony guys said to me, if he comes anywhere, if he says anything to you, you tell me not to go and talk to him. I'd found out he'd said, had been said to him, You got into any of these kids. I looked like a girl when I was a boy. I was a pretty boy. I quite often go up with my parents, my my two brothers and two sisters, sometimes be out with my sisters, I adore my sisters, love my sister, Victoria and Elizabeth, love them. And uh, we'd be about, and uh people say, Oh, who are the girls? My father would say, if you lift his hair, this one's a boy. I was a pretty boy. So I would have been a perfect target for these creeps. But I know I was I now know I was protected. You know, Tony, you know, Nick, some high school students are stronger than men. They're really strong.
SPEAKER_02:It's it can happen, yeah, sure. Yeah. They're very strong boys. They're big kids. They're big and they're yeah, they're oh, they're lifting weights and wrestling and yeah, it can be.
SPEAKER_00:Scary kids. So then I so that that was um my my school. Um it was around that time I was life-saving that I was in the training session and I got taken out by a jellyfish. I was worried about the sharks. Because I'd I'd we'd seen Jaws a couple years before. I'm hearing John Williams, don't, don't, don't, don't. Ah, looking down the depths of the water. I'm thinking it's like a thousand feet, it's probably about 40 feet too. And the sunlight's disappearing. Uh I'm waiting, I'm thinking, it's gonna, it's gonna, I think it's gonna be a bull shark. I think it's gonna I don't not the bullshark, not the bull shark. Uh uh I want a circle, uh I want a great white to circle me because it's gonna look at me um and it'll probably go away. Maybe it's a salmon shark. So it looks like a great white, not as dangerous. Uh it looked pretty cool because it's a salmon shark. Um uh uh don't be a threshard. There's no thresholds in Sydney. Uh it'll hurt me. So I knew my sharks. And then it hit me. I thought, what? No, I'm not you. Uh and it was a jellyfish. I knew something was coming for me. And this thing had a clear bulbous head and really long tentacles, which you don't get in Sydney. It's doing this to me. It came at me. And it's it felt like fire and electric shock at the same time. Anyway, I'm I'm in a this is a training session. There's about 400 lifesavers on the beach. I'm going like this, no one sees me. They're all doing the training sessions, and I think it's part of the act. And there's there was this IRB, those inflatable rubber boats with the engine on the back, you get what we call them. Um, I was going around and they're like, You're being a bit over dramatic, mate. Calm down. I said, And said, I think he's been hurt. And I was being I was playing the patient, and my friend, who was 15 at the time, was swimming out to get me, and I got in the boat and I was all I was all puffed up like a big fat woman. So it was really bad. I was having a reaction to this thing. And that's oh, and my friend finally turned about 10 seconds later, 30 seconds later, turns up, let's make it a real rescue. No, no, take me back in the boat. And it's a let's make a real rescue. Okay, you're a 15, 16-year-old kid, what would you know? So I'd get back in the water, burning, and my friend's like, okay, I do not remember I don't know, and I was about 200 yards out. I do not remember going in. I remember waking up on the beach and the the examiner saying, Help him, don't be so lazy, he's just pretending rescue. My friend says, he's someone's taking him out, he's hurt. And then I remember waking up in the in the life clock surf club, which is about 200 metres away. Woke up again, lying on a concrete slab as you do, and some guy said, Damn, kid, you should you should be in the manual. Well, the manual has stonefish bite stings, great white attacks, uh, all sorts of nasty things. Don't tell him that. And classic 1979 behavior just sent me home.
SPEAKER_01:Rub some dirt on you.
SPEAKER_00:Uh maybe they could have, I wouldn't have known. Um that did happen in the surf club. They put you, I did have to meet we did have to meet some guys, they put them in a cage where they put their alone in your cans and they we on them. Uh I didn't have to meet me. Um pretty horrible things.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not convinced.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe. Uh so anyway, I had that scar for four years. I had that scar for four years. I only found out about five years ago what that damn thing was. Because we didn't know that I I explained it. I said, it sounds like a squid. It wasn't a squid. And this is weeks after this. It's like squids don't go around attacking people. Like it may be a Humboldt squid, but they're on the off the coast of Mexico. There's no Humboldt squid in Australia. Um uh then the Archetuthus, the giant squid was a myth, so it wasn't that. Um, and I wouldn't know it was a 65-foot squid, I wouldn't know what it was. It was something pretty weird. Um, it was an octopus, it wasn't a barramundi, it wasn't a uh no, it's it's it wasn't a shark. This thing was clear and it was determined to eat me, and this thing was swimming. Why didn't it finish with me? It swam away. There's only one jellyfish that can swim, it's the box jellyfish. And we're told there's no box jellyfish in Sydney, it's too low. But whether it's global warming or hate speech or transgenderism, I don't know what it is. It's bringing these things. It's bringing these things down south. And those life-saving exams, they only do them when the swell is enormous. They're like eight foot, ten foot waves. Now, being older now and smarter, I know for a fact when the swell's that big, it brings in the bull sharks. Um, it's like, oh my god, what was I thinking? Um uh the so well you but when you're a lifesaver, you've got to go out and guess people. Um so anyway, so I went through that. Uh well, I think I'm pretty sure and I found out many years later, about five years ago, this happened in 979, that in the big storms, occasionally a couple of stingers will come down. Um and they usually are not fatal, but they do kill some people. It's extremely Extremely painful, very dangerous. Because when I passed out, I'd passed out. I mean, you don't get passed out. We call them blue bottles. You guys call them man of war. They're the little blue bottle with this thing on it. They're pretty nasty. You don't pass out your son like that. Um, I used to do kickboxing, you get kicked in the face, punched in the face. I didn't pass out. Uh, this thing was nasty. And that changed my life. No more, because I was learning French. I was doing that for a life-saving sort of certificate. I want to be a pilot or a flight attendant. I was actually, I I actually wanted to be a flight attendant. And my sister said, Well, Chris, all the men are gay.
unknown:I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_00:My mother said, Don't tell me that. I'll be a pilot. Okay. Okay. So I um uh, but then I decided I don't have anything to do with this. Um, and about two months later, I did the exam again at a beautiful beach in Sydney called a long reef. And it has a little lagoon that sometimes opens up, and when it opens up, it has this massive swell that you know, basically river that goes into the ocean and takes you on, takes you out to New Zealand. And again, the swell was very big. It was a day before another day. The thing was they failed me in that exam. They pretty well failed me. I should have got a medal, and my friend should have got a bloody the purple star. Um anyway, so I had to do the exam again, which I played with passive flying colours. But day before we were training again, and they said the lifesaver guy said, Chris, go and swim out there. So I swim out there. And after swimming about five minutes, I turned around, they're like, Stop, stop. And I was like, I thought it was funny because I was going like a fast Olympic swimmer. I was in this rip and I was just going towards New Zealand. Now I knew if I kept going across it, and I'd be like, you know, half mile down the beach, I'd get out of it. Um but they they came out and got me and they put a torpedo torpedo tube around me, which is the orange thing that's in the beach is squishy, and they put it around your waist. And they put that around me, and I think I had a big Malibu, which is one of those really big surfboards, and these this this this this set of waves came through. I have a big I that's probably 12 foot. I mean, it looked like it's about a thousand foot. There's massive waves, and these are lifesavers are like 20 years old than me. I said, What do you do? What do I do? Hold your breath, you piss me off. Okay, and um then I realized I was in I was in trouble. But I'd I I was doing something stupid because I thought it was funny. Um and this swell just totally destroyed us. Uh I don't know how long I'm the water for, it could be a minute. And finally, when I could I could breathe, I was in like a foot of water, it pushed us all the way in. And that's to this, uh to this day, those guys when I ran into them, they're still getting ruined. Uh and that's when I happened. My father said to me the following day, son, I think the ocean's trying to toy you something. And that's why I became a drummer. I said, I'm just gonna be drummer. But the silly thing was, I was one of Sydney's best roller skaters then. And I totally stopped roller skating. No kind of standard skates. So I lost that. But that I was a kid ball, don't know. So it totally, and that threw me into drums. And because I had the passion of roller skating and the passion of uh, you know, essentially swimming with sharks and jellyfishes, all life savers do, and I think surfers are amongst the bravest people on the planet. They're just in the in the beaches in Sydney and Queensland and uh, you know, all around Australia, these guys, and you can California get them, South Africa, these guys are they're absolute beasts. They are beasts. They stand on these rocks, these massive swells, the beaches are closed, they get on the rock, they get in their board, they go out, they catch this you know 15-foot wave, it could easily kill them. They break on the rocks, surfers are heroes. Why it's not an Olympic sport, I don't know. It's just extreme athletes. They're up there with base jumpers, though. They're up there with base jumpers, up there with uh people who are caving, they're up to up there with uh military personnel. These guys are serious. So I'd realize I was too wimpy to be a surfer. Of course I can bathe and I can body surf, but no, these guys are extreme. Yeah, and I've realized I I need to do something else.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, you're a little bitch for getting out there with sharks and jelly stays.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you don't think you don't think of it? It's like going camping in Kanda. You don't think of the bears. I mean, the chance of meeting a bear is remote. And you do meet it, it's like you've got pig blood, put it over yourself, it's like hitting with a stick. You know, no one's gonna do that. Um yeah, people do get attacked by bears, uh, people do get attacked by sharks, but more people get killed by vending machines. Because you know a student shaking them and it falls on them. Well, Chris, I thought you said, I want I want to say I want to say that.
SPEAKER_02:I thought you know this, but like when when a shark attacks you do the same thing that you do as a bear, you just yell at it and make yourself big.
SPEAKER_00:And uh it'll it'll see what people I get is uh a nine-foot shark, okay, a woman was uh attacked in, I think it was Australia like a couple weeks ago. It was only a six-foot shark. This only six-foot shark removed removed her foot, removed her foot, removed her left hand, and removed half her arm. Only a six-foot shark. Only a three-foot shark can rip your shoulder off. Now, a nine-foot shark is this wide, okay? A twelve-foot shark is this wide. A sixteen-foot shark, you can't put your hands around it. A nine-foot shark, uh, uh a tronosaurus rectuscape, not today.
SPEAKER_02:Not today, maybe.
SPEAKER_00:Many scientists believe that the great white made the um uh megalodong extinct. Because it just swimming rings around it and ate all its food.
unknown:Really?
SPEAKER_00:The car carrot and carat and cacaris, the great white shark, yes. Sharks are I love sharks. I I I totally know them. Um the so the big sharks. What's that?
SPEAKER_02:That's why you wanted to swim with the sharks and be good friends. You like that?
SPEAKER_00:Well, that lady does, that lady who wears those fancy striped websuit wet suits, so she looks like a um sea snake with the big fins. No, she's well known on on TikTok and YouTube. Uh blonde blonde blonde American lady, I think. But she's encouraged people to swim with sharks. And and this woman who uh a woman, I think it was in Egypt, she wanted to get uh a photo with a shark. I mean, who gets a photo of a shark? That was a six-foot shark that put up that must be in, I don't know if it's Egypt or Australia. That was right, she was taking a trying to take a selfie with a shark. Why don't you try a hyena next time and see how she goes? What's that move that show? I'm not really a big fan of American shows. So what's that show, Yellowstone? There's a scene. Uh, I don't watch these things. Um, I haven't got time for it, but I saw it on YouTube where the great Kevin Costner is on a farmer or something, there's these Chinese tourists looking at a uh uh a moose or something, and he says, get out of here, says it looks friendly. It's not friendly, it's it's so it's not friendly.
SPEAKER_02:It's a classic American farmer. I didn't know for the longest time moose were incredibly aggressive, violent animals. I didn't know that. I'd have tried to pet one. You tried to pet one? No, I would. I I didn't know. I I didn't know for the longest time, and I'm a friend of the animals. Oh bigger than a horse. I could have made friends with it.
SPEAKER_00:Because it's like one of those things out of uh the hobbit. It's like one of those things that the hobbit should ride. That's the kind of thing. The lion sees that lion's gonna go, no, I'm gonna go the other way. So yeah, so uh then I became a drummer and started practicing all the time. And I told me before about I was struggling at school. If you ask my brother, Nick, awesome, uh, he's a year a year and a half older than me. Yeah, same, same, same thing, yeah. Uh, the other one's Jeremy, he's older, all great, love them all. The um Nick was every every report I'd get, it's like Christian is very enthusiastic. Christian works hard in class, Christian is a wonderful student, Christian's work is satisfactory. So, what they're telling you, Chris, is that you suck it at the teacher's ass and you're thick as ten bricks. That's what that tells you. Every report, well, my report says Nicholas needs to behave himself more, Nicholas needs to listen to the teacher more. Nicholas's grades are phenomenal. So what they're telling you is I'm not gonna suck it with the teacher and I'm a brain. So you're the thick head, I'm the smart one. Uh, he said, that's why when I was 10, I read the hobbit and understood, not the hobbit, I read Lord of the Rings and understood it. You couldn't even say Lord of the Rings, you'd say Lord of the Wings. You couldn't say rings, you'd say rings. So you couldn't even say the title, and I read the whole book and I was 10. He was true. So I was struggling always at school. Mum and dad never told me I was a moron. Uh, best they didn't tell me that. Um You wouldn't have understood. And that now they realized when I was set because you were a moron. No, it's too darn. I don't know. Mor Moron. What's a moron? Is that someone from Lord of the Rings, Moron? Where's Moron? He's with uh Theodore. I thought Theodore was the guy with the eye on the sky. Who's the guy with theodore?
SPEAKER_01:Who's the guy with the eye? Who's that?
SPEAKER_02:The what? The eye. The guy with the eye. Oh, I thought you were talking about King Theodor. See, I went even deeper.
SPEAKER_00:Theodore told you see, are you a bit of a fan of our talking? You've been a c talking as well, are you, Tony?
SPEAKER_02:It's a problem. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's it's a problem. Yes. Have you got the figurines? Full size? You got them in?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Have you got a Megan doll?
SPEAKER_02:I don't have the full size, but I had all of the I have I still have all the figures. I don't even like it.
SPEAKER_00:Have you seen the Megan doll?
SPEAKER_02:The what?
SPEAKER_00:Megan doll is fantastic. She's sitting in the corner. It's like it looks so real. It's like it's just a doll. It's just like it's a bit bit of foam, but it's so like just freaky. I've got to get a Megan doll. Just to freak out the nose.
SPEAKER_02:The horror movie Megan?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very, very cool. Fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:Well, they have that?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's very cool. Very creepy. And you can move her eyes. You can move her eyes around. She's just a under under the dress, just all foam, but just looking at her face, like, that looks like Megan. Pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02:Are you sure that's all she has under the dress quit?
SPEAKER_00:You need to talk to someone. You need to sit down.
SPEAKER_02:I could get every week why we have this podcast.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. I watched that. I've never thought of such a thing. It's a robot. Give me a break.
SPEAKER_02:A cute little robot that I mean, even Zappa knew sex bots were gonna happen, so he did know that.
SPEAKER_00:But you sort of go to vending machines and look around the back.
SPEAKER_02:Go to the back door on a vending machine? What are you doing? Put your own cream filling in the pie?
SPEAKER_00:In Sydney and go, that one bite's pretty cute. What are you gonna play with the inland type hand steak? See what he does here. Give him a kiss. You got thirty mi you got thirty you got thirty minute minutes left after that one. Just sit down and enjoy the ride. That thing bites you dead. The um I like the brown snake. Uh not only does it kill you, if you survive it, you've got to cut your arm off. Because it what's it called necrosis? When your skin starts to rot. So bloody brown snake. It's not brown, it's golden. I don't know what they call a brown snake. Um, there's footage on YouTube of uh some old Australian guy walking uh along a path. He just kicks a brown snake out of the way. Couldn't give a shit.
SPEAKER_02:That's what you on the dogs would do. You're just like I wouldn't kick a brown snake.
SPEAKER_00:He's kicks it several times. It's brown snake. Obviously, the brown snake's like, why are you kicking me?
SPEAKER_01:Why can't we not exist?
SPEAKER_00:Why can't we exist exactly? Yeah, we all do. Anyway, so the uh yeah, so um and Tolkien's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01:I love it.
SPEAKER_00:Like I I can't I I mean Peter Jackson teases us as you know, Nick, uh you know, Tony. Oh, we've got about nine hours footage of our Lord of the Rings. Release it! I'll buy it. And what's he what's his name? Um uh Matt Walsh the other day was having a podcast saying, you know, Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, it's just too long. And all the comments are like, you're wrong, you're wrong. It's not long enough. It's gotta be longer.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, it's just for bringing that up because I gotta tell you, when I show when I show anybody Lord of the Rings, it is the extended versions, and I'm like, Oh, fantastic.
SPEAKER_00:It's not enough. Yeah, I know there's more, you got more in there, mate.
SPEAKER_02:You could never have too much.
SPEAKER_00:And no movies, no movies come close to that production. Just I must admit though, in a lot in in fellowship, when they're going through, when they when they're about to fight the uh when they've just fought the um uh the uh um battle rock, is it the the fire monster? Yeah, okay. And they get to falling off the bridge, uh, it looks a bit dodgy. That's the only scene they didn't get right. It looks a bit dodgy.
SPEAKER_02:Um you gotta remember that was done in 2001.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, they were other than other than that three seconds, it's still 100% perfect. Nothing's come near it. Uh you compared to like the Meg Meg 2. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Meg 2 is pretty great.
SPEAKER_00:The first three minutes was fantastic. The first three minutes was fantastic. Um bit like Jeepers Creeper's part four, the last one, Reborn. The first four minutes, it's like the first movie. What happened? Now it's like a Disney mask. Um, yeah, but you just watch the first four minutes. Or um Halloween, the end, the final one. It's like this is terrible. I waited all these years, and some some monkey wearing the Halloween marks mask ruins it. Then you give me five minutes of good stuff at the end. What is this? What uh uh why did the director do that? Why? You gotta redo it. You can't do that to us. You can't do it.
SPEAKER_02:I agree. I I agree. I was very disappointed.
SPEAKER_00:I thought we put up with Evil Diet us tonight. We put up with evil dies tonight, we put up with that, okay? You were just rocking the the the second last one was fantastic with the fire and stuff, and then you've got some guy wearing a mask. What does that remind me what does that remind me of? It reminds me of the Howling 2. It's like, hang on, I thought this was meant to be a werewolf movie. It's like uh um, I don't know, anyway. So yeah, we're not all day obviously a horror fan. Or a fan of all cinema.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say you know horror films better than I do. I know them decently well, but that's I don't I've never seen Howling Two.
unknown:Fuck.
SPEAKER_00:When you're young and you got a video cover the first time, you go through every single horror movie in the shelf, uh, and you realize that you can't judge bookballs cover. Some of those movies are pretty bad. Uh, I remember Slush was very bad. Um, someone cutting people up. It was obviously a plastic dummy with big blood in it or something. It's like, this is just stupid. Um, but I noticed in the in there, my favorite movies in the 80s, which they're trying to ban them, but they're they'll they'll call classics. Blackula, the black Dracula, and Blackenstein. And in Blackula, whenever a woman got attacked, she'd always bear her breasts. And they always were large. They always would bear their breasts. That was an 80s thing. Uh they didn't chopping them all to the same thing. Uh it's always bad. It's like, what was that? It's funny.
SPEAKER_01:It's very cool.
SPEAKER_00:Blackula was great. It's just a great it's so racist. It's fantastic. They have a white white black ear is white yulah. Yellow, yellow yulah, yellow yulah, um, brown yellow.
SPEAKER_02:Yellow yuler. You can't.
SPEAKER_00:So okay, I so don't too far off. Okay, so so there you go. So movies, movies are great. And we love we love talking. We're not gonna we're not gonna just discuss why he didn't use the eagles in the Lord of the Rings. We're not gonna discuss that. Just pretend the Eagles is a lot of things. Yeah. It gets soft.
SPEAKER_02:You guys can look it up.
unknown:It's a thing.
SPEAKER_02:It's fantastic. It's a thing.
SPEAKER_00:Just let's go.
SPEAKER_02:We're losing Tony. He's he's he's l he's loving. Well, full disclosure, I what was the first movie? He doesn't even know the name of it, Chris. No.
SPEAKER_00:Fellowship of the Ring.
SPEAKER_02:Fellowship of the Rings. I took a really, really good nap.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, you didn't like it. Did you read the book before watching it? No. Oh, there's your problem. Okay. So good. Did you watch uh Return of the G uh um uh the Two Towers?
SPEAKER_02:I didn't bother with any of the rest of them because I was already so rested I didn't need another nap.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so we're the one is uh Tiny's- I thought Tiny was a Tolkien. We're the Tolkien's.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Oh okay, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. He he's a he's a thug guard. We don't like him. Yeah, I'm an idiot when it comes to that, but I mean I'm we can talk some horror. Um I are you a slepaway camp fan?
SPEAKER_00:Which one?
SPEAKER_02:Sleep away camp. Have you have you not seen Sleepaway Camp?
SPEAKER_00:Is that something like Friday the 13th? Uh uh.
SPEAKER_02:No, it's uh sleep. It's it is it's not a great movie, but it's great because it's not a great movie. If you well, like the disaster artist, did you ever see that? No. Have you seen that? I think it was it's based off a movie called The Room. And they spent like millions of dollars on it, and it's so, so bad. Um, but Sleepaway Camp, very similar. I want to tell you absolutely nothing about it because if you watch it, I want it to hit you right in the face the way it hit. The twist is good. The twist is good. The twist is good, but that's it.
SPEAKER_00:And Jay, is it like Friday the third?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it's it's similar that it's a slasher, and then of course, Sleep Away 2 and Sleepaway 3 just becomes the Oh no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I they realize the bread the breast breast gets ticker cells, okay, which is like strange. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Which is fun based on the original surprise. Yeah, true. Good point.
SPEAKER_00:So So what's it what's it called?
SPEAKER_02:Sleepaway camp.
SPEAKER_00:I was thinking breakaway creek. Okay. Sleep sleepaway camp. Sleepaway camp.
SPEAKER_02:What was the Dale and somebody Dale and uh oh um that one I like that one too? Tucker and Dale. Tucker and Dale. Fight or fight evil something.
SPEAKER_00:Do you like slashers? Have you seen have you seen Wolf Creek one and two?
SPEAKER_02:No, the birds.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, have you seen Nick?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I've seen the birds. Yeah, I have.
SPEAKER_01:He's dead. Chris. Chris! Come back to us. Come back to us, Chris. Another jellyfish.
SPEAKER_00:Another jellyfish. So I think Elon's um what Elon Elon's uh satellite supply. Yeah, it's Chibi's Chippy C B. Well, what was he's a politician? I don't know who's a politician. Weird. Um the uh embracing the two.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, Chris, this is from Elon.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know whether that's actually throwing uh probably I don't think it's nasty because I mean the Tamara did as well, but uh it's like it's like yeah, but uh it's probably not but you know this house, just go like that or do this. Don't do that. You know people are gonna play on it. Um I know he's autistic and whatever, but so I don't really care. I th I thought I was fairly careless. Um I don't really care. So the uh uh don't listen, Elon.
SPEAKER_02:Not that we get political on this show, but you know the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00:No, we don't get political at all. Um uh and I voted for Kamala anyway, so it doesn't matter. Um the uh Are you serious right now? I was gonna say it's it's a uh vote for Kamala.
SPEAKER_02:I couldn't I do that, I'm just kidding. I was like, that is not the Chris I remember.
SPEAKER_00:Um the um because in Australia we've got elections suited. I always vote for the animal party. I'd rather vote for a cow than a human. I trust the cow over a human. And these people are probably horrible, but so I just like okay, you're gonna you're gonna get I'm gonna vote number one for animal party and number two for the marijuana party. Uh because my mother uses uh medical cannabis, so I'm gonna vote. I'm not voting for one of these. You know, I promise I do this, I do that. Well, why didn't you do that for the last four years? Uh anyway, it's not gonna go there. But I was saying Wolf Creek parts one and two, which has done nothing for Australian tourism. Uh, it's based on the killings of uh other millets, it was a serial killer, and they don't know how many people he killed. He died in jail a few years ago. Uh, check it out. It's very good. Based on true true vets, yes. And the um uh backpackers murders. I mean it's like is this Seeing that movie, I actually experienced. Um you were killed by the I I remember being this exact same happened to the movie what happened to me. I was at a at a pub in um uh rural New South Wales, nice area. I walk in this pub, I was on tour, and this guy walks up and says, Where are you from, mate? Sydney, it's the capital of the country. Now, poof is a homosexual in Australia.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna have to explain. Oh, you just said it.
SPEAKER_00:It's an English expression. Uh poof the capital of the country. It's like, and that actually said that actual line is actually in Wolf Creek. They've done the research. It's uh and the the the person in the country's town's not being rude to me. To them, it's the poof to cover the country. You have the gay Mardi Grad there, you guys look pretty pansy, you're scared of spiders and snakes, so you're poof. Um it's how it works. It's uh you'd have those guys uh in in the farmers in America, you know, you know, you know, got soft hands. You're you're you know, you're you're a bit more on the uh the left side of the field, um, which it may not be, but that you can't blame these guys, they're tough men. It's like uh Kevin Costner saying, it looks friendly, it's not friendly, get out of here, a moose will kill you. Um yeah, farmers are tough people to me.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it came full circle too. Back to the back.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, came back to Kevin Costner in Yellowstone, which I've never seen the show, I have no interest in it. Um uh yeah, more of a Mel Gibson fan myself rather than Kevin Costner. Oh, I don't I don't like I love Waterworld. The trick of Waterworld, you like turn the screen off? Just just let's listen to let me finish. Turn the screen off, just listen to the music. The music was fantastic. Fantastic. Uh have you heard have you heard people say, I must ask me, said, Did you see Waterworld? I listened to it.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, that's exactly right. Yep.
SPEAKER_00:It's a very good score. Very good score. There's some great schools. Um, so they are you know, so I don't really talk much drummer much now, but yeah, so um uh love for uh cinema, which Holloway seems to be doing his best to destroy it. But always the gem comes through, like Nosferatu or um uh what's another one that's gone through. What's another great movie's gone through recently? Um I thought I liked Wonka. That was nice. Having a child was nice to see Wonka in some nice singing. There was no gayness, there was no messages. I like Wonka.
SPEAKER_02:Did you see a Nora? Oh, I haven't seen that one yet.
SPEAKER_00:Uh the best picture?
SPEAKER_02:Anora, the one that won best picture. Not that anybody gives a shit about it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's one about the uh the trans people know no interest at all. No, thank you. Not really my thing, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Well that's not a Nora. Anora's the one about the um stripper who falls in love with the Russian kid and all that. This is a pedo movie, isn't it? Kind of?
SPEAKER_00:Um not not in the pedo movies. Uh not not into it. Um not my thing, so I've I have a child. That doesn't go down well with me.
SPEAKER_02:I thought because you wanted the Megan doll in the corner, you it might be your thing.
SPEAKER_00:What megaphone? The mega the Megan doll you wanted in the corner of your Oh you you're you're obsessed with this mega thing. What do you want that what are you thinking? How do you it's a robot? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:It's a child, it's a child. Hey, there's no, we don't know that Megan was a child. M3, by the way.
SPEAKER_00:Looks like a child's rain.
SPEAKER_02:She might just be a midget first. Oh shit. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:With a child's face.
SPEAKER_02:Just very young that like Rick Holman had. He was small and he looked like a kid. Oh, I can think of as Projuria now, and that's the other way. Whether you look old. He was a dog that came. Um no. What were we talking about? Did you ask how old he was?
SPEAKER_01:Who?
SPEAKER_02:Tony, I could have sworn you just asked how old he was. I could have sworn that's what I heard. No, I just no one cares. I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_00:No one cares. So the uh yeah, I like the Megan movie. I mean it's better movies. I thought Terminator was I thought it was a a cheap take on Terminator myself, but still it was, you know. I mean Terminator is much better than Megan. Uh it still plays. Uh Arnie wasn't trying to be cool. That was a scary movie. That was a fantastic movie. Then they then they're then they ruined it after it's kind of silly. Yeah, it just ruined it, ruined it.
SPEAKER_02:Um we're uh we should uh bring this back. Sorry, I'm really enjoying this conversation. There's an episode five and six out of this. Uh anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Thomas.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_00:Um 1242.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Are you are you on a time constraint? I've got another uh hour and a half. You got another interview coming up?
SPEAKER_00:Hour and a half.
SPEAKER_02:You got another podcast interview coming up?
SPEAKER_00:No, I've got an uh another hour and a half with you.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:My accent.
SPEAKER_02:Let's let's let's uh let's um let's move on to like um I wanted to get into so you mentioned you know obviously drumming help you develop, you know, more mental mental faculty, I don't know what you want to call it. And taught him to stay away from Moose. And also taught you to stay away from me.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely, I don't like those animals.
SPEAKER_02:You what? I don't like those animals. Oh, so you already knew that. Okay, good. Well you didn't have to learn that from drumming.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah? But what I was gonna say is I learned that from I learned that from rocking bull wiggle. I had that card. Watch me pull the rabbit out of this. He's got he's got a car. The animation was dodgy. He loves his side contact. I was more of a pink panther guy myself. He needs to exactly rock him. I like Tiny. I like why Tiny does. I like that. No, I like it.
SPEAKER_02:No, I got you back and watch it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you can watch it.
SPEAKER_02:But um one thing we talked about that actually I found so fascinating is you talked about how rhythm you feel what it would you say intrinsically, is that the right word? Like, because you mentioned when we were talking before, like through a video chat, that when you heard me talk, you could feel the rhythm or like the um vibrations, was it? Do you remember talking about that? Explain that because that's very interesting because you talked about how that's kind of a serene kind of flow state for you.
SPEAKER_00:No, I'm doing it, I'm doing it now. That that okay, that's my um, which I didn't discover until about I think it was like 2000, it was in 2018 or 19. Where it was in Hong Kong. Um, the that's my uh autonomous autonomous sensory meridian response, which most people don't realize. That's ASMR. And those videos online are not autonomous sensory meridian response. They're just, you know, someone put someone to sleep, which is just nonsense. Uh and it works, good luck to them. Um I don't know why most of them are women with makeup on showing the boobs. I don't know what that is, so I don't know whether ASMR has nothing to say at all. It's just it's just pathetic. Um uh it's I mean just in the environment. I I got I I've gone out, I can go back and do it now. Um, as a kid, when I was like three, I used to rock in the chair. I'd sit in my I'd fold my legs in like like this, and I'd I'd rock on the chair, and I'd rock along to um uh Herb Albert and the Tion of Brass and uh Johnny Cash and the the Hollies, I love the hollies, and I'd just you know rock along with them. And then also I wouldn't rock, I I just feel the music where there's no music, and I'd feel this feeling over my body, and I'd think, go away, go away, go away. I don't want this feeling. I thought because I thought if I told Mum and Dad had this feeling, they would take me away and do things to me, you know, the doctors and they experiment on me, so I didn't tell anyone. So my life great back to that. The um uh the uh um so all my life of you know I go to like a department store, they wrap a gift for me, it's fantastic. They're wrapping the gift just like you just do the whole day. Or I'm um I'm sitting in a uh a dental office when I get my teeth done, sitting in the chair with a surrounded by old magazines, and uh someone was you know type it's just like this is incredible. Or I'm sitting on uh on some grass and I hear the wind in the trees where it is. I just it's just like this is just fantastic. So it could be a person, it could be nature that totally relaxes me. Uh and it's the the best feeling in my life. The best. I mean over everything. Um and I I I thought I was a weirdo and was um 2018. I was having my best friend's call Easton, he's a fantastic guitarist, he's known as Congo. Um, and he talks about he has really high levels of synesthesia. So you see, he's like Elvin Jones. He he got me into Elvin Jones because I thought I didn't really get Elvin Jones. He said, Well, listen to this interview. And Elvin's talking about all the colours uh and the album he does with Elvin Jones does John Coltrane, I just love it's just drums and a saxophone. They're just exploring colours. Um and I don't even know. I uh Eason's played it to me when I'm when I go to Hong Kong, he plays it to me. I don't know the album though. Um but you'd find it. It's just it's just John Coltrane and Elvin Jones. And the um I then got understood where Elvin's coming from. Uh the and so Easton will say, Oh, this is because we he he he's saying I don't play keyboards. Okay, I don't play keyboards. Uh do the theme the Robocop plays the theme the Robocop. Uh, do the thing whole A50 does, Hawaii 50. Uh do Sound of Music does Sound of Music does it. Any any TV show doesn't all. Uh play the mount, play um but uh bum bum, you know, play uh chameleon, does chameleon. Um do um uh Spain does Spain. So you're playing keyboards. No, I'm just I'm just chasing the colours. I just chase colours. So he's just every note's got a colour. And I was talking about my feelings of hate. He said, Oh, that's you should look up on that. And it's it turns out ASMR about I don't know what the exact percentage is. Tony might know more because he's a music therapist. I believe it's about 20% of people experience it, but about 2% of those people experience very experience it very intently. I very intensely, I do. Um and it's uh it seems to be on the cusp of uh synesthesia. It's not as good as what Easton's got. It's not that. It's not that. And you know, there are many people who had there. John Blackwell Jr., great musician. He had it. Uh I'm sure Mozart had it. It's just it's it's they they um it's there's a guy I met in Hong Kong years ago. I was doing a about six years ago, I was doing a jazz gig. And he can't be at the end of the gig, he said, Oh, you're so fantastic. I love the golds and the blues, the greens. I said, Oh, you you what do you mean? Well, you hit that's gold, it did colours. And I said, um I said, uh, if you've got synesthesia, he said, I don't know what you mean. I said, what colour is this? I hit a drum, he'd say a certain colour. He said, everything has a colour. I said, do you think everyone thinks of that? Oh, everyone must have this. No, and no one has this. Few people have this. It's called synesthesia. It's like, oh, I thought it was crazy. No, it's a skill you've got. I said, what do you do? He said, he's like, I look like a homeless guy. I said, I'm thinking this guy's gonna be something. He said, I'm an artist. I just read what do you do are do you commission to do work or you just do it on the side? Uh yeah, I was commissioned to do a painting of uh, I think it was the Queen of England, and it was on a big building in Hong Kong. Uh wow. And he and he's he was obviously a fantastic artist. Um a guy I went to school with, I don't know if he's got it, I've not asked him about it. I won't mention his name. He was uh a fairly quiet boy at school. Um I don't know whether it's two or three Archibald Prizes he's won. When you when you win an Archibald Prize, you paint the Prime Minister of Australia or you paint the King of England. That's what you paint, and it's put in one of the major museums in the world. You get paid a fortune to do that. Now, I don't I didn't even know he was an artist. Um he was the other one who dodged the bullet of these creepy teachers to teach at my school. Uh the um, but anyway, so I have this thing where it's sort of um I feel rhythm in a different way. Maybe it's worse than other things. I don't know. It's all all I am. I know I just sort of it's very dangerous when I drive because I can go into a trance when I drive drive. I can't do it then. Because uh, if I'm sitting back with a taxi, it's just amazing. For like I feel sometimes for tax drivers, look, if I give you like$20,000, can you drive around Australia? I just just oh, it's amazing. I love it. Airplanes is hideous. I hate airplanes. There's the energy in airplanes is wrong. I don't know what the vibration, I don't like it. I can't stand airplanes. Uh boats, don't like it.
SPEAKER_02:All those motherfucking snakes.
SPEAKER_00:It's the snakes, it's the snakes. It's transgenderism and hate speech. That's what's causing it too. Um, the um, don't forget it, can't let that go. Can't let it go, not gonna let it go, not gonna let it go, not gonna let it go. You said it now, staying. That's what you said. Um, it's unbelievable. The um uh and no one really explained what happened. That plane candle flipped upside down. No one really explained what happened to that. What happened to that?
SPEAKER_02:The snakes got control of the good time.
SPEAKER_00:It seems like it's there's a lot of uh uh was so many males running the ship. Um it seems like it seems like but it sounds like it seems like there were females who weren't as qualified as I should have been, but they're there because they're females, rather than females who were qualified and weren't there, maybe they weren't as good-looking enough. I don't know, I wasn't there. Um it's just all and what happened to the drones? What happened to all those drones? What happened to the drones? You mean in America? And they're not drones. Drones have little propellers. Things and things had no propellers, they're like flying saucers. Where are they?
SPEAKER_02:They're everywhere.
SPEAKER_00:Are they drone? But these are things up for like 12 hours size of a car. I mean, what are they?
SPEAKER_02:They didn't tell us. We really don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Donald Trump said it's uh Donald Trump said it was just um Donald Trump said it was just uh Legendromes. Who has a car drone that stays up for two days?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it it uh it it's just that they say the government's doing it. I mean, we uh nope, not gonna do it. I was gonna go on a reading.
SPEAKER_00:I think I think I think it goes back to Stephen, and I I think that goes back to um uh what's his name, the guy who exposed uh S4 Air 51. What's his name? Um the scientist with the big glasses looked like Jeff Acaro. What's his name? Um no, um uh no no uh he was he was on Joe Rogan a few years ago. Uh and not Dr. Stephen Greer, um Oh let me find it, hang on Billy S4 No, um uh Leonardo DiCaprio.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio, uh he likes him young. Christian Bryan. Was it Christian Bryan?
SPEAKER_00:Uh Christian Stephen John Bryan. Uh here we go. Who's the S4 Area 51 guy? Him, uh Bob Lazar.
SPEAKER_02:Ah yes.
SPEAKER_00:Why am I talking about Bob Lazar? Why am I talking about Bob Lazar?
SPEAKER_02:What was your question, collar? Oh, collar, yes. Um, no, I have no idea, Chris.
SPEAKER_00:So so the uh yeah, the colour.
SPEAKER_02:I can't keep up with my own head here.
SPEAKER_00:No, so so then anyway, so I I I have this thing which um uh where I just sort of it just it uh I feel rhythm in a certain way and um and melody and harmony, I feel it in a certain way. That's what I was gonna say. That's what I was gonna say is that because I feel it and hear it this way, it gives me a really strong um sense of timber of an instrument. And I discussed before I hate the sound of a bass drum beater staying against the head. I can't stand it.
SPEAKER_02:I knew he was gonna get on that. I knew he was gonna get it.
SPEAKER_00:Unless it's Charlie Watts, I won't put up with it. He's the only guy put up with it. Because when he played his jazz band, it was released. I can't. I mean, I love seeing Rick Rick Beatle. Rick Beatto talking Rick Viotto talking about this. I love that. Rick Viotto does a great uh video on this. Um you want to slam it in, that's great. But I can listen to recording, I'll tell you whether they're using whether it's staying against or coming off. It's really obvious to me. Um, I can I I can I can tell you, okay. I know he's in he's I know that guy's sponsored by DW. That's not a DW drum set. Sorry. That's not Slingerland or a Premier or a Ludwig Sony. That's not a DW. Sorry. Not it. And they're not as I remember you hearing years ago um Chad Smith thinking, they're not sapien symbols. They sound like pasties. And later he came out and started using pasty symbols.
SPEAKER_02:Um I mean, I can hear the difference between symbols, but I wouldn't be able to tell you what brand it was.
SPEAKER_00:I get pretty close. I mean, Stuart Copeland has always used Tama and Piste. You can hear it. Hey, what an incredible musician.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, different different kits and different symbols have very distinct qualities, but if the if you wind them up, I certainly couldn't tell you that's a that, that's a that in a way.
SPEAKER_00:And a lot of those record early recordings of Gad, that was Gretsch. It wasn't Yamaha.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:But that's it. I love drummers like like uh Man Gini and Steve Gadd and Greg Bisonet, uh Mick Flipwood. They're they're coming off and they know when to bury it. Well, someone like Thomas Lang, he buries it. When he plays soft, though, it comes off. It's very interesting. Or the great uh Jar Robertson, he he goes like that, but sometimes he comes off. Or come on a piece goes slam and it just comes off. It's really cool. I just I love when they've got that they've got that sensibility. Um Buddy slammed it, you know. Jim Cooper slammed it, but majority of the time it came off the what that bottom end. But some of them don't want that bottom end. So I react to that bottom end.
SPEAKER_02:Uh the um interesting is and you kind of touched on it and to get kind of drumming dirt a little bit, that's we are. Um you know, they're just like hand technique and all the all the techniques that go with that, and you know, buzz rolls and and buried rolls, and I'm pressed rolls. Sorry. I'm oh god, I'm showing my ignorance here. But you know, you've got all sorts of different techniques, open and closed, you know, all that. There is something to having that bass drum uh technique too in the control to that. Admittedly, I don't have it. I mean, you mentioned you watched a couple of my drum videos and you were turned off by the I wasn't turned off. I wasn't turned off like it was just like I mean it's just but it is it bothered you the bass drum art, and I don't have that control. I I don't.
SPEAKER_00:Um it's because you're sitting too close to the bass room, that's why you've got to come back further on. Because your leg should where's where's the I've got use a comb. Okay, you bottom half your leg, I didn't want to do a drum shop. You bottom half your leg, I would say should be like that. Most guys are like this. Like that. Because then you'll otherwise you're locking up the ankle, obviously, which Tony can explain better. The um uh but it's personal. I mean, okay, Stevie Wonder can't hold a pair of drumsticks, he can't use the pedals properly. As as I would totally agree, is Greg Busnet says he's probably the greatest drum has ever lived. Because he gets he buries the beat on. Uh he he that's how he plays. Uh, he says, I remember Greg Bisnet saying at a clinic in Sydney, he was saying, I or I had something in a studio with uh Stevie, and Stevie took me over to a drum kit and said, and and and Stevie played a beat and said, Can you play that? Greg said, I can't do that. Can't pull off. Mr. Groove, Mr. King of Groove couldn't do it. Um so Stevie is you know uh Prince was a great drummer. So Townscribe drummer, they tend to bury it. He shillery buries it. I mean, it depends who it is, who it is. But for a lot of guys, they they bet But they but uh these people tune the drum so it works that way. I mean, what's his name? Elvin Jones buried it. But he's gonna he's going for a colour, he's going for a colour. Now they tune the drums in a certain way. Um just see way too many guys play. I've got my time of the bingo kit. Now I'm gonna do this.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right. Yeah, know what you're playing, know what you're playing.
SPEAKER_00:But then the geniuses at Evans and Remo go, we can fix this. It's like have the EMAT systems up there, and we'll fix that. And um, and some old older guy like me says, Oh, easy, take the front end off the bass drum, go 70s, go all 70s, dude John Guren. And people out there don't know who John Guren is, please get to know who John Gurin was. Uh, you know, we all know.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, okay. All right, well, yeah, I got it.
SPEAKER_00:And also uh uh Tom Scott and LA Express. Woohoo! Bastery Cadden, uh great album, John Guren on drums. Um he quite often had the used concert Thompson front head off the bass drum. I like whenever I call, I always say, can we take the front off the bass drum? Then if you're bearing, it doesn't really make any difference.
SPEAKER_02:I'll think about that. That see, I see I learned something here. I I I do sit really close to the kit. Do you sit? Are you close? Where do you sit? No, I I mean it's not straight up and down. It is probably a little bit more up front when you're saying I mean I'm also okay. Not to get on this, you know, shit, because you know, this isn't the well but I I'd listen more to Tiny.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, Chinese got better foot technology than me, so I'd listen more to Tiny than me.
SPEAKER_02:Well, okay. Let's not go down that whole thing. Oh, you guys are better and I stuck, then you guys all, you know, all that.
SPEAKER_00:I just say I said Tiny's better play than me. I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. But remember last time we talked and you know all that. But what I was gonna get at is you said that, you know, your ASMR is actually very pleasurable to you. Like, yeah. It feels really good. You know, I'm not talking, you know.
SPEAKER_00:If not, not in the way you're thinking, but it does feel good, yes.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I figured it wasn't that crazy because it can't take every five seconds.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, God, play Americans.
SPEAKER_02:I'm brustling that Snickers bar package. Chris, we're trying to play. Good night, John boy. Good night, Chris. Um, but um, what's interesting is that you feel like, I mean, obviously you feel like that helps your drumming, right?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I didn't think I didn't know at first. Uh just I realized when I first started playing that I just noticed that bass drum thing that when you came off that sound. But I realized if I took the front head off the bass drum and put a school bag in the in the bass drum to shut it up, it made no difference. But I just like that. And I remember taking the bottom head off a floor time and thinking, oh, amazing. It's off the the tone, which annoys me. Because it's so hard to control that tuning. Um and I just don't like that because uh I understand the first instruments I started playing were bongos and congers, and they're very short, very staccato. The drum kids doom, take it for top bottom head off. I found it many years later, blame Jane Cooper for that. He made the double head tom tom popular.
unknown:Really? I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_00:If I go back in time and say, Gene, you're not doing mate, Gene, I can't do that. Let's go and have the coffee. Just forget about that. Change just get his mind, change his mind. Yeah, Jane Cooper was had to do with that.
SPEAKER_01:I love Jane Cooper.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_00:I love Jane Cooper. As we go to.
SPEAKER_02:So, like, um I do want to tell this story because I think it's important for the for the history that you and I kind of have. I mean, not that it's that important. But um many, I mean, this is when I first started taking lessons from Tony very early on. Way back. Um we were working out of your book, mainly me, um Progressive Rhythms that you really I mean, this was 10 or 20 years ago because I've my book.
SPEAKER_00:Don't send you a copy to Tony. I mean you sent me a copy of yours. It was too difficult. Your book was too difficult. I couldn't do it.
SPEAKER_02:No, I mean, uh yeah, I I I did not I try to I thought Rick Grattan's book was too difficult. Rick Yeah, Rick Ratten's book too.
SPEAKER_00:Incredible.
SPEAKER_02:I have that actually. Oh do you?
SPEAKER_01:Fantastic. Rick Lake, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I also have Virgil Dinani's book, and I put that down. So Okay. Anyway, there are books that are just too out there for me. Um but what I was gonna say is Um, you know, I was working out of that book with Tony. Um, did not make it very far because that was above me.
SPEAKER_00:Um but so was this Tony's book or Virgil's book or my book?
SPEAKER_02:I gave up on all of them, Chris.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. So Bishop said to the donkey. Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02:But um, no, I'm talking about your book right now. Now he uses all of them to pad his bass drums, so when he bears the teeth.
SPEAKER_00:Get the books out of there. Chaser, you're a chaser.
SPEAKER_02:Um we're all friends. So what I was gonna say is, you know, back then, you know, you sent uh you sent Tony that and I was kind of working out of that. And then I also had your DVD, Independence.
SPEAKER_00:Um I was young, limited money. Sorry about that.
SPEAKER_02:I still love that DVD.
SPEAKER_00:I I can I tell you about that DVD. Everything was all my DVDs are first take because I'm always surrounded by idiots. It's just I know.
SPEAKER_01:You can admit, yeah. Tell talk about that.
SPEAKER_00:You get you get to um uh the the studio space, you've you hire the studio out. It uh because I was trying to get the same look as the Marco Miniman extreme drumming video that Rick Gratt and we all love, a friend of mine, uh uh did. Um uh as far as the look and stuff with the yellow background. But what happened was the guy who did it, he got there and said, Oh, I forgot the batteries for the camera. I'm gonna start recording. There's a runaway. Sydney's Sydney's like, you know, almost big as New York. It's huge. You can't just go down the road to get things, it's a long way to go. Um, places like Chicago are small compared to Sydney. Sydney's massive. So everything's delayed. Okay, let's go. And then the lighting problems, and by after being there and being prepared for a week for you know, for weeks to get this going, you've been there for like four or five hours in the day, nothing recorded yet. You start getting angry or frustrated, you know. So I'm playing, I'm not playing, you know, as much as I love I love you by Barney, I love that, the kid shows. Um, it's not dub dub dub du. That's not that. You know, it's complicated stuff. I got straight. Everything in that damn video, all my videos is first take. I'm surrounded by people who don't know what they're doing. I've just accept that people, you know, they're they're I'm paying them something, you know, whatever. It's difficult. But the uh that video, all the entire video, it's just made from rushes, from just bits and pieces, because the original footage, I couldn't use it because it had the well, I'm gonna say the public don't really care what I get any backlash from it. The hard drive that it was it was put on, the guy couldn't every time he he started editing it, even though I paid a lot of money, or the sound was out of time with the sink, it didn't set up properly. Um and then it was like 85 gigabytes, which was a lot of information in 2001. That was like 2002, there's a lot of information. And he had like two computers going, you had two computers with the fan stuff going. And so one of his friends took over and he said, Well, there's a problem with the um with the uh the hard drive, Chris. What? Because all we had, we had some DVDRs with footage on it. That was just like, you know, like uh rushes and stuff to sort of, you know, uh to do like almost like a demo. The actual finished footage is on this other hard drive. So uh, Chris, we've got a problem with this hard drive. What? He's corrupted it with pornography. He's put pornos on this video.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god. Oh my god. Quant back then.
SPEAKER_00:And that was a die. That was a time when nothing was streaming, had downloaded all the stuff into my I'm not I'm not a computer person. Apparently they'd done some stuff to the hard drive, and my videos wouldn't play properly. So everything in my my that video, the independence part two, is all from demo shots. We had to try and play with the sound. And some of those parts are parts where the sound's out of sync with uh what I'm doing, and the picture coil is not as good as it should be. But this guy put porn love mode for stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, back then when you downloaded that shit, it had malware.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, it was I don't know how malware is. So that was that was just so I remember talking to Thomas Lang about this. He's totally left me over. This is just shocking. Uh and Thomas said, kill him. I can't kill him. Um, I would. Yeah, well, you're ex-army, you're a tough guy. I can't do that. Uh, and I get arrested, and then some man's gonna touch me at night. I won't like it. Um, yeah, I had to make jokes about it, but yeah, that was horrible. Um I I got bad, I appreciate it like enjoying the video. That that was just horrible. I couldn't wait for that day I was over and I I didn't want to sell it. I hated it because I saw this is rubbish.
SPEAKER_02:Um well and I mean I don't I don't know how widely you did sell it. I mean, I I I ordered that myself, and I had to order that from Australia. That was an import.
SPEAKER_00:I want to send it to you. I saw no, no, it was it was sold independently. It was sold, I think about 500 copies of sold in Australia. I approached the Sonal guys when I was at Sonal Drums then. I used all the Sonal pedals. I look I paid for all that gear. I I got a discount, but I got uh just just hang a sec. I'm on podcast, bye-bye. Chef's calling. Yeah, the um uh um the uh uh I paid for all that gear, it cost me thousands of dollars. I didn't really like the sonal pedals. I hated those um the the giant step pedals because they have that the design was to have like a bullseye in the middle of it. And because guys like Tony and I, Tony and I use more more than one pedal, we use many, many pedals. Whatever that part of your foot is uh in the middle of your foot where the ball of your foot is, you hit the edge of that um that ball, that bullseye thing on the pedal, a shock goes up your body, it's horrible. It's uh hits a pressure pill or something in your foot. Those pedals are heated. So I put up all those pedals, I put everything everything was like sonor, son or sonar, or zonor, as I say, uh sonor, sonor, son or that sort of stuff. And then when I was in um I was remember I was doing a clinic in Sydney, a big drum festival, and it was um great day. It was uh it was myself, guy called Pete Drummer, who's an incredible Australian drummer, Pete Drummond, um uh and uh me then Chad Wackerman who got angry with me because he asked me to play his kid. He went out front and he plays Kid one here with my drums. So do what I do. So I played a Mosambeak my feet and played stuff on top of it. No, I didn't ask you to do that. It's like playing your drums, you got angry at me. I feel like saying, Well, your wife didn't give you on this one. I just tried to throw that.
SPEAKER_02:You shouldn't about played him on his own kit.
SPEAKER_00:He's incredible. And then about an hour after he a half hour after he played, Thomas Lang played. Um, and then Steve Smith, that's right. And um the uh that night most of us went to dinner with the the sonor people took us, the distributors took us to a very nice place in Sydney called um what's it called? It's a a restaurant, one of those revolving restaurants atop a door building, like you get all over the world. And um, I was there and uh they had the Sonor guy, the rep from Sonor there. And I was with Steve Smith and Thomas Lang was saying how wonderful I was, and I thought, okay, that's nice. Yeah, Frank Corniola was there, who owns the uh drum tech in Melbourne, which is the the people who run Drum Scene Magazine, also the Australian Ultimate Drummers Weekend DVDs, it's a fantastic uh center and guy, whatever. So all these were shown by these legends. And I asked this guy, this guy called Millen from Sonor, in front of all these people, uh, because the Sono guy's Australia said, Why don't you ask him? Okay, I said is it possible if I can send you some DVDs, and then when you um sell drums to shops, that they get some DVDs for free and they can do what doesn't want. I'm not gonna do that. You can't do that. It just went off, just went off at me, went crazy at me. Uh and Thomas is just looking at what's going on. And after that meal finished about half an hour later, one of the guys from the solo guys, Tony, Tony Italy, is a fantastic guy. He pulled him aside. Tony's a fighter. And Tony threatened him saying, You can't talk to Chris like that. Don't give me this crap, you know. Um, and that's uh that DVD was that when I had that happened, I thought, I'm not gonna sell the DVDs, no one wants it. Uh just and I did eventually then he did reluctantly get me to send them to um Germany, and he just sent them back. Um so no one wanted to know about it. No one wanted to know about that. Uh um so that DVD's got pretty I think that's I think it's a pressover, it's just like just it just wasn't meant to be.
SPEAKER_02:Um and so like like I'm not even pandering to your I'm not even sucking off here. Like I love it. I I thought that was a very inspiring DVD. And I mean the pedal work, I I distinctly remember because I was meeting playing for three or four years at that point. And I distinctly remember showing my friends who were not drummers. And I remember freaking the uh freaking the fuck out when you were going across those pedals.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's probably the tripper a tripper on the wall. Okay, I got okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I I well I just basically like clearly remember I was telling my friends as I was watching it, and I was just like running around the freaking living room seeing that.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm gonna tell you the reason I was playing that nine pedal pattern, I'll tell you the reason I was playing that nine pedal pattern. The feet against it, it's because I couldn't do it, I couldn't do what Tony does. I couldn't play Cascar or Bosnia making my left foot and solo against it. So I thought, well, I can't do that. I still can't do that. Um so maybe if I fly across a whole bunch of pedals, I'll everyone be tricked by that bullshit. That's right, that's why I did it. And hopefully and I thought one day, and I think hopefully one day they'll never see Tony Majiris play. Um uh but when I mean that I'm saying that I mean that uh if they see him play, they'll know I'm full of it. And that's a good thing. Um because I I've I said this to certain people, and I'll say this now, I I'd say it on you know ABC News, that as far as independence is go, actually independence, not like you know, 13 against nine or something, something you're not really gonna use, which is still clever. As far as musical independence independence goes, as far as a drummer playing a you know an independent pattern on one of their limbs and playing against it, the best I've ever seen is Tony. That's the best I've ever seen. I've never seen any like I don't know how, and that was like almost 30 years ago. I don't know how in the hell he's how he worked out because when I got his book, I think it's too complicated. His book reminded me of one of my favourite drummers who died many years ago. My musical mentor, Andrew O, who died in 2023, he was killed by the vaccine, like many people were, which I'm not gonna go down that path of stop setting. He was my musical mentor, he's one of the finest saxon players in the world, and percussionists and all sorts of things. Um uh his friend uh he worked with uh uh many years ago in the um 1980s. He worked with uh Andrew was working with um, I believe he was working with uh Mana Ferguson, and his drummer was uh uh Roberto Pitachio, who had two hi-hats back then. Um and talk about the Steve Gadd rock emotion, Robot Roberto Pitachio.
unknown:I've never heard of him.
SPEAKER_00:Well, see he died before just before Mark Cranny died. And those two guys are just so good. Uh Mark Cranny with Gentleman Ellie, I mean incredible, uh a Canadian Okay, you know while while we're on Amazing Drummers, I just discovered this guy, and I'd be surprised if you didn't know him, but I've never seen anything on this guy.
SPEAKER_02:He's hardly anywhere. Um Pete Zellman.
SPEAKER_00:He died in a few years ago. He's incredible. Somebody's been influenced heavily by him, is uh which is a great story, and we all know him. He's I think he's fantastic, is Alex Cohen. He's on he's on YouTube. He loves Pete Zellman, and he's talking about his brain tumors are giving him this sort of insight. He's his independence is incredible. It's not musical like Tony. It's not musical like Tony, but that that he reminds me when he's when he plays stuff he plays, it reminds me of Chad Wackham. When I first saw Chad Wackham do a clinic, he said, I'm just gonna play something musical. I thought that's just a noise. Well, I couldn't appreciate it. As I got a bit older a couple years later, I realized, oh, he's not playing 4-4. And I love anything, I don't like 4-4, I love odd time stuff. So um so I could say, I could see Alice, well, that's how he expressed himself. And he was doing one the other day, he said, This is for the jazz guys. And I know most guys are not gonna listen to Alice Khan for jazz because you've got tattoos uh and you you you you talk like a moron and you do head metal stuff, so you're a moron. I think I'm gonna watch this. And he's got he's got on his hi-hat foot and playing like 13s and fives against it. It's like, man, this is what Elven was trying to do. It's just so good. Um excuse me, the um that's different, different to Pete Zorban's like that. He's like Pete Zelber. Pete Zorber was amazing. Uh he still isn't though he's dead. Well, I mean he's dead, but he was incredible. Yeah, Alice Collins like that. I think he's gone beyond Pete Zorban.
unknown:Really?
SPEAKER_00:I'm not sure. But Tony is playing, sorry, but Tony's playing more of a it's it sounds like you got someone playing cowboy. To me, when I hear Tony play, it sounds like a Dave Wickle drum solo, but just on the left where you can't see him, Ralph McDonald's playing cowball. I really the greatest cowboy player in the history of music, who's also dead, of course.
SPEAKER_02:Chris, I really wish you hadn't say he sounds like Dave Wackle. That bothers the hell out of him, you know that. Oh, I mean, that's a hell of a compliment.
SPEAKER_00:I'd like to say it's uh sorry, he does sound. Uh the um uh who would you like who would you like to sound like? Who who you who you what drummers do you like, Tony?
SPEAKER_02:Dave Weckle. No. No, seriously though. Dave Weckle, Vinny Calyuta, Steve Gadd, all of them, uh Donati.
SPEAKER_00:Vinny, okay. I can hear Vinny and you I can also hear um uh Gorgo Bolai in you as well.
SPEAKER_02:Um uh Morlai. And the I mean and he's looks like now he buries the beater.
SPEAKER_00:He buries the beta. How he gets an even sound, I don't know. He buries the and it works for him. Vinny buries the beater. You know, you don't want to change that. I was just saying, not it's not right for everyone. Um that's very difficult. Akira Jimba bears the beater. That's everything's even. And I listened to them, I think you listen.
SPEAKER_02:I just know you listen to those guys and then you watch my videos and you're just like, ah, turn it off.
SPEAKER_00:That's not true.
SPEAKER_02:I'm dumb kid. Okay. I don't mean I don't want to interrupt, but I go ahead. You need to send him some of your new ones. But I want to I want to get back to that story to kind of share the history because I think it's kind of kind of flattering for you, hopefully I don't know. Anyway, um so yeah, watch your DVDs, work out of your book. And then that was back when all we didn't have social media. We I could only get this by email. And exactly I'm sure Tony had it is how I would have gotten it. But um I emailed you, we probably had three or four exchanges where I sent you short YouTube videos or short recordings. And um you'd send critiques back. I always was very kind and supportive. And it was actually the one you commented on was I did a um it was a three over four polyrhythm, but it was an ostinato. I still have a video, it's two thousand nine. I'm not gonna post it just for fun. Um but it's actually it's a paradidal ostinado here or yeah, paradidal ostinado here, and like a and it's and then twin bow uh under that. Well what I was gonna say is I said that to you and you you commented very highly and said you're very young to be able to do that.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then um but you also said 'cause I told you I had been contacting other um YouTube drummers because I was trying to get feedback. And I told you that some of them were saying certain things. And you came back and you taught me the word pontificating. I never heard that. Oh, okay. These guys were saying, and I knew you were leaps and bounds better than these guys, but they were popular, so I was like, well, get their opinion. Um and you said, yeah, clearly those guys are pontificating, because that's not what you're doing at all.
SPEAKER_00:Um a lot of those guys think they're God's gift to the world of drumming and they're not. They're just playing gospel chops or uh, you know, four in the hands, two in the feet, two in the hands, two in the feet. Which is awesome when Terry Bosio was doing it with Jeff Beck. Okay, it was awesome. It was awesome when Bait when Louie Belsman was doing it with uh Tommy Dorset. It was awesome then. But guys, you know, you you've got to move forward. And they start telling the world how wonderful they are, and they know all the sort of things. It's like, really? You keep burying the beat out, and you're teaching people? You don't even mention that. Well, it's very much one, you know. I saw a guy uh on drumming a few months ago. Uh, the video's about a year old, don't let me mention his name. Talk about traditional groups, said, Well, traditional group, you know, I think it's pretty stupid. Uh, I've never seen anyone do two traditional groups at the same time. Really? You don't watch brush players then, mate, do you? And you're uh you this I'll just say his first name is Matt. Can't stand it. Okay, I just say I can't, and it's not Matt Cameron. Uh he's a great guy. And it's just like I can't stand like don't tell kids no one used double traditional. Because when brush technique you do sometimes, don't tell them that. Please don't tell them that. And say someone's got uh a right hand or a left hand which is a bit deformed, they're gonna have to do that. Don't tell just because you haven't seen it with your little world and because you're sport rotten because someone's pushed you, don't you shouldn't be on here teaching. It's um drumming out was successful, I believe, because you had three, two drummers who were amateur at best, who were very passionate, who gave lessons as best they could, and people got thought, these guys are cool. Um, yeah, I like this. And it was very nice, it was refreshing. Um and they've never said they're great drummers, and it's like, but they're they're passionate, they don't have to work hard, those guys. They're making a lot of money what they're doing. They continue working hard. I think they're fantastic. Um, that's why they're the most successful drum platform on the planet. Mike Johnston is successful, not because he's a great drummer, because he's passionate. And he always says, I I've got my holes, I don't know what I'm doing, I'm a hack. Yeah, always says those things, but because he's honest. He's being honest, being totally honest. I love that. But some of these gospel shop guys, particularly, got this attitude like, you know, what are they talking about? I'm not mentioning any names, I don't know any hate mail. Uh, it's like, you know who you are. It's just sorry, you're not. You're not you you ne you never be Elvin Jones, so you never will. Sorry. And don't try and pretend you're Steve Steve Gates. You're not, you're not, you're not, you're not George Klaris. You're none of those guys. And George Klaris is a gentleman. You're nothing like those people. You're rude, you're arrogant. I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02:That's one thing that bothers me a lot of about a lot of these guys is the arrogance. And there's one gentleman in particular um who I don't know if I need to name him. He's obviously the same. Don't mention I won't mention it. Most people would have think, you know, uh social media drummer. Um but I honestly think a lot of the gospel chops things and things like that have kind of painted the drumming community.
SPEAKER_00:Um and that's the good gospel chop guys, and I push them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_00:Then I they're better, they're fantastic. Then I push them. Some poor guy in a church, he's incredible.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, those guys are fantastic. And you just don't hear about them, you hear, but you know, that's a rabbit hole, and we don't have to go down it.
SPEAKER_00:We and then of course And a lot of dr a lot of drummers want to pretend that uh Thomas Pruggen doesn't exist. So he does exist, and his groove is fat. It does he does exist. Sorry. Just he said that why he didn't get the givea promise, I don't know. It's just like the guy that got great, but they're so like seriously. Um remember speaking to Thomas Lang years ago, and uh he's saying, Oh, I've got a tour coming up soon. Um I said, I see what you say, what what is this? I'm not looking forward to it. So what was the problem? He said, it's playing with Johnny Royster. Oh, he's gonna destroy you. Yeah. It's like Yeah. What interest? So it's got a minute. I mean, you you know you're doing well and you're gonna destroy Thomas Lang. You know you're doing real well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So Thomas, don't you bring double pen next time?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, well, I just didn't think it is, yeah. I mean, there's some guys like that.
SPEAKER_00:But then you go Bob Tony Royce, you can roll up your chick.
SPEAKER_02:Well it's like there was that there was that um drum channel video, I mean, years ago at this point where you know Dennis Chambers took Royster under his wing and then years ago dueled. And Dennis is like, holy shit. Yeah, Dennis is like, oh my god, I created a monster kind of thing. So if you're again, if you're getting accolades like that from Chambers and Thomas Lane, you know, you know. Yeah, and it's crazy he's not more prolific. Like, and yeah, he's been buried out. I mean, a lot of these guys were prolific for a while, but they're buried now. I mean, you don't hear about Pridgeon was big for a while. Royster for sure, and you don't hear about these guys anymore. And they're playing as good, if not better, than they ever have.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sure they got uh uh um strong careers. It's like Lenny White, you know, he started all this. I mean it's it's I'm sure he does stuff. We love Lenny White. Um, the uh uh amazing. I saw a video on YouTube the other day of Billy Coban. He finally looks his age, he's looked so young for so long. He was in his mid-80s. What a beasty human being. Um he still plays drums as well. I love him. Um what was that uh the video of uh about 12 years ago? It came out recently on YouTube of um Roy Haynes. I'm gonna play a calypso, but my age is called a collapso.
unknown:I like that.
SPEAKER_00:He was awesome. I love Roy Haynes. Um the uh yeah, these characters because these people uh were just so um humble.
SPEAKER_02:Humble and they care about the instrument. It's not about the attention, it's about the instruments. And yeah, I mean that is truly a big ass rabbit hole that we honestly haven't even touched on yet.
SPEAKER_00:And then a lot of the drum companies now are interviewing these guys, modern drummer does it's like, and I know I know you're interviewing this guy, he's he's you know, he's a reasonable drummer, he's playing bands, doing tours and stuff. But how about you sit down and you educate people on the knowledge of uh Steve Smith or Narada Michael Walden or the Australian drummer David Jones or Simon Phillips or uh the you do those guys, but the social focus is he's using this this Vistalite drum kit, whatever. Who cares? I mean it's like it's great, whatever. But the um the the the sharing knowledge is not what it used to be. It's just and they started doing that in the 1990s. When I saw um uh Vinnie Paul on the front cover of um Modern Drummer magazine and also Dave Grohl, because I bought the magazines and I read the interviews, not good interviews. I all of us knew and well half a brain realized they're gonna get complaints about this. But they the modern drummer says, hey, they sell tickets, we've got to promote it, you know. Um and sorry, uh people are not lining up to see the jazz guys anymore, so we have to sell tickets. I understand that. But now it's just like purely, but those guys are selling big albums, they're big sellers and they're good players. Uh there um uh a lot of guys now they're just pushing because they're popular. Playing them popular.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, but I find it's all a gimmick.
SPEAKER_00:I've never seen I have this sort of joke that I uh I wonder is um is the drummer in um Maroon 5 the best drummer in the world? Uh because you don't know what someone's capable of, because in a studio, you don't know you got I mean I played bands who were huge in Australia, I had to go boom, gut, boom to get there's no bit of gut, but it's nothing. So you don't know. Um and is it they they just they're just a private person or that that joke in Australia? There's a song in Australia, I forget the name of the song, but the the the the um basically saying no one knows who the drummer and cold player is and you do what he wants, no one's gonna even notice the guy. It's like and he gets he makes just as much money as the other guys. Um it's but how do you know how good they are? They might be better than you could ever imagine, you don't know. Um and they don't those guys don't do interviews. I love that. It's mysterious like, okay, who are you? Um it's like um uh the incredible bass player in um in uh um Metallica, that guy, what's his name? The big good looking self-marker.
SPEAKER_01:True heel.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He plays guitar better than all the other guys with the bag. So he's incredible. Like guys like that. He's a humble guy.
SPEAKER_02:Everybody plays drums better than Lars, though.
SPEAKER_00:I always thought last was good and everyone, but these days are seeing his being very sloppy. Is that just with his showing dodgy footage or he was because he was great in um Ride the Lightning and Um those first three albums.
SPEAKER_01:Editing.
SPEAKER_02:Editing place.
SPEAKER_00:I never had another album. I thought he was other Biddley Gidley Gut, Biddley G. I can't say Biddley Gidley Gut.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody likes him anymore. And he'll come after us. And he'll come after us and get us publicity. No nothing like that publicity. Okay, there you go. On those albums, he would record several times and they'd edit edit it together. And that's back in the eighties when you didn't have overdubbing and shit. You had tools. You had pro yeah, Pro Tools, that's what I meant. You didn't have Pro Tools, so he would they'd have to chop his together.
SPEAKER_00:Of course. And have you seen now that interview of uh the person Australians love to hate? Um uh we used to think it was cool, now we can't stand the guy. Uh Howard's Howard, the radio host. Uh how it used to be on America's Got Talent. Howard Jones, how Howard Jones, how was his name? Uh he used to be he's got fluffy, he looks like he's got hair like Crusty the Clown, but it's black.
SPEAKER_02:Um yeah, that's that's how it's turned. Howard's turn.
SPEAKER_00:How's that how it's turned? And he's protificating about bass from chat eat with Lars saying, Oh, do you play fast because you lift your heel up? It's like, dickhead. Seriously. I mean, please, and Lars just having conversations. Lars is just answering the question. It's like, please don't protificate about drums. I know your radio announcers do protificate about stuff, and quite often you're good about it. Don't go new music. Don't do music, don't do uh astronomy, don't do uh deep sea life. Just just just stick to you know politics and and Rosio Donald and stuff like that. Just don't don't do it. I I I I I I can't stand that. Hate speech and hate speech and transgenderism and um uh global warming. It's all the same. It's all the same. Save the koalas. It's all the same. Yes, there we go. So you you were talking before about the IQ thing with me. Me being a title, I was talking before about my moral, my brother telling me basically I'm a moron, I think I was a teacher at school because I've at school because that's all I could do because I was too dumb. Um and uh looking back at school, I I really struggled in school. Uh to sort of if we'd had like an IM class that's like a class for people who are a bit slow, might be good at you know, history but terrible at maths and English, so you get special attention there. I would have loved that. You know, uh that they take you shopping and stuff. They uh then when you you I would have been in a music class, I would have done maths and stuff, but so but in regardless, I they that wasn't available at my school. Uh it is available to the kids now. But the um I didn't know I didn't know I was a moron. And I was telling you that uh about about five years ago, I told my mother, who's now 95, love her mother, because uh I I told her I recently got my IQ test done. She said, Oh, oh, what was the response? I was like I had a couple of times, a different response. Each time it was different, it's like I was 122, 127, or something because because I'm so creative, it was it didn't come exact. Um exactly. And um the I remember again said that's not very good. 122 is pretty crap. Chris, the average is 98, 102, so it's pretty good. It's above 120 is considered really smart. I said, my sister's got 158. Well, that's your sister. My brother is almost Sigmund's got high IQs. My mother's got 168. Um, my mother's father's not as high, but pretty high. So I I was a dumb boy. My mother said, Oh dear. What? It wasn't that when you were younger. What was it? You don't need to know. No, I just got a test. What is it? Um 76. Sorry? 76, sorry. 76 I couldn't even walk with 76. I was a moron. And drumming before Yeah, it looked like she said, we noticed when you were 16, you start playing drums that you found something you're good at, so we'll just let you do it. We put up with a sound. And that's what did it. And that's why many years later, from year 2013 up to 2000, two years from you said I can't speak. From year 2013 to year 2019, I did four TED talks in Hong Kong. Um uh, and that was great. And because I'd met people, because Hong Kong is so connected. Um it's uh amazing place. And the so I met these people, these business leaders, you know, because I'd teach people and this particular person I taught, he he, he and his daughter, he was one of the top um CEOs of Citibank, so he'd bring me into his friends who uh ran uh wineries in California. He meet all these people. Um and uh he said, We don't want you to meet uh Gin A U, Professor Gin A U from Um uh Polytech University in Hong Kong. I can find he's head of uh head of um game studies uh that we but people can play for Star Wars, uh Space Invaders. No, no, we study how gaming can be used to help people with ADHD and stuff like that, certain, but certain games, not just you know, not just like you know, battle battlefront. Um and um and does it he's a professor and he got me into a in the TED for my first TED talk and I spoke and I got messed up with people, said read these books, read these books, whatever. And I uh I did some self-study, which is a fairly lame statement, self-study is pretty hopeless. Uh the and I'd reading a little, it's not a study, reading around the internet, I discovered a guy uh called Dr. Barry Bittman from Pennsylvania, and he's got a wellness center there, and he is an inventor of some medical equipment, and he'd done some studies on cancer patients that he got them to do shamanic drumming like gem base and stuff like that, uh simple hand drums, with patients who were recovering from cancer, that their body, in about 75% of cases, their body produced more cancer-killing cells. So it didn't cure the cancer, but he he likened it like if someone's had an operation and you put them in a room, it's just a dark room, then someone else has the same operation, put them in a room, and I had experienced in Sydney when I have an accident, I had to hurt myself kickboxing. Uh, you look out your window and you look in the beach, that person will then recover quicker. And so it was good for recovery. Um and so he said it wasn't the drum, it was the rhythm. And he's Dr. Barry Bittman with yeah, this Dr. Barry Bittman with his team had done a lot of study on uh ancient drumming and what people, you know, what people had been doing for centuries. And uh he came to the conclusion that drumming is good for you. And um I'm emailing this guy and another guy at Toronto University and saying, well, I've noticed teaching drums and production drums, that if you do indigenous rhythms, like for a drum set play the easiest one, probably uh a boss nova or a sumba, maybe moving on to uh merengue's and and songs and stuff. The um that you're doing indigenous rhythms, which is uh fairly complex, that this this this can tends to connect more neurons in your in your brain. And I don't know what that was. And I discussed some of these things in in TED talks, and also um reading um I read in a guitar play magazine uh when I was about 16 that you've got to practice 10,000 hours to become a practical genius.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And of course, because of Malcolm Gladwell, the American uh novelist, uh the um he put that in in his book outliers that you know the 10,000 hour practitioner. Mozart wrote his great pieces after about 10,000 hours of training, um uh, etc. etc. Michael Jordan, 10,000 hours. Um, and so I discussed that one of my TED talks. The um and it just when I got my IQ test many years later, and I mentioned my mother, she said to me, and she she was a teacher of 45 years, English teacher. She's 95% deaf. No one knew she was deaf, never had a hearing aid, and she got a hearing aid about 10 years ago, uh, 30 years after she retired. Um she said to me, Oh dear, in her English accent, oh dear Christian, it's uh it's the drums. The drums are doing this to you. And education will never share this with the world because it goes against their books. It's the drums. It's the drums that made you smart. Yeah. So drumming has made me smarter. Um and I can have any doctor or psychologist saying, I'm talking crap. I say, mate, there's the root river, jump in it and piss off. I'm not gonna listen to you. So these doctors say, there's no afterlife, really? No afterlife. Really? So you know more than Plato. You're a smart guy. You know more than Plato, you know more than Tesla, you know more than uh Einstein, you know more than Newton. Isaac Newton had one of the highest IQs in the history. You're smarter than wow, you're smart. No. Science now knows more. Bullshit. Sorry, you don't. I hate those guys. There's nothing, nothing to say here. Nothing to say, I hate those guys. So uh some doctors saying it's a coincidence, you know, IQ test was wrong. Uh no. Uh my IQ test was not wrong when I was a kid. I don't remember doing it, of course I don't. Um drumming makes you smarter. Uh now, m many of my students uh I've taught over the years have done very well with their grades because getting better at drumming. Now, I also say in his in defense of other things, if I was teaching chess or football or swimming, maybe the result would be the same. I also wonder, is it the experience with the teacher? Is it that? Um, it could be that.
SPEAKER_02:It could be. Well, um Yeah. Um I I mean, I'm just thinking Yeah, it can be anything. Like you were saying, you could teach chess, you could teach because we talk about flow quite a bit. And I think a lot of it has to do with the neural connections that we create when we are practicing, because there's a lot of trial and error, and there's a lot of failure. And in that failure, we we are frustrated, but it pushes us to continue on, which is even building you know, neural connections and fortitude, whatever you want to want to call it, willpower to get get through. But then the success, when you get to the success, it solidifies that particular information highway. And if you do that, you know, as you were saying for 10,000 hours, I mean you're gonna have a lot more connections. Information's gonna fly a lot faster. So I absolutely believe in what you're saying. I think it's amazing, and I think it's why you have been able to take your symptoms. Yeah, yeah. So I mean and and kind of categorize and and what's the word I'm like, put them in containers. Right, right, right. Move it around where other people have it. So I mean I I love what he's saying. I think something is like um I mean, I I don't know if you remember probably that I'm schizoaffective, so I have the you know, voices and visions and all that twenty-four-seven and and drumming, you know, I was and You know, it was a very, very bad place. Um, you know, before I started drumming and met Tony and um and and he I mean, you had this from a very young age and and you told me when you were how old? Well, I mean, I met you when I was twelve. So it would have been close to twenty. I mean, I had no idea. The music was helping him focus and function on a level that I don't think. Well, yeah, and I I never experienced that before. I will say kind of I thought about it, because we're trying to kind of trace a little bit of trajectory of how I'm how not I don't like to toot any horn because it's not. He's different. He's very different. He's one of a kind, if you ask me. But what I kind of trace back is when I was younger, I didn't listen to a lot of rock music. Um I was a lot of soundtracks and classicals.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Devil music. Yeah, well, Matt. Don't go listen to the devil music. You know what's funny is my dad used to not want me to listen to ACD sing when I was younger. Why?
SPEAKER_00:Because the devil worship bullshit, which was all happened when he heard diocide, what did he do then?
SPEAKER_02:Oh you know, fuck your god is what it is. Um but I hate that band to me.
SPEAKER_00:I can't stand those bands. Just because besides I said this seems so so time knocked what could we made what we hear now. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Slayer would have been, you know, what eighties was Slayer? Is that right? I love Sonic.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, that was scary.
SPEAKER_02:You know, and that's supposed to help develop. So I mean, I didn't look at it, you know, I don't know if that played into it. But what I will say is I was, I mean, after um, you know, taking lessons with Tony, and I mean I was vastly improving, I mean, mentally and able to manage better, and I'd gotten to a point before that that I was, I mean, you know, attempted suicide three times. Um terrible and that brought me out of it. And you know, I know Tony doesn't like me to, you know, credit him for things a lot, but like it was the way he taught too. Um, you know, he wasn't a he wasn't a music. It wasn't me though. You put the work in the case. I know that, but it was your approach. I mean, it that did matter. That did matter.
SPEAKER_00:I how many hours you brought you every day? How many hours you do in your night?
SPEAKER_02:Now or back then? Back then.
SPEAKER_00:Back then.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, back then it was four to six a day.
SPEAKER_00:Were you working or going to school? What were you doing? School or work?
SPEAKER_02:I neither. Um I dropped out of school in se uh seventh grade. So um, I mean during that period I I was playing in bands and that was about it. I mean, I I practiced four to six hours a day for what, five to six years. You had dropped out because of the ship? I dropped out of the symptom I mean, because of the symptoms. You know, I couldn't handle it and I'd gone inpatient and uh kind of came out of that a month later, I think. And um, you know, i that is what my saving grace was and still is mine. You know, I don't get behind the kit near as much now. You know, as you guys know, once you have a family it it gets harder and harder. Of course. Um which admittedly I I've probably die uh um struggled a little more lately because I'm not getting behind I'm starting to get behind the kit again. And that I mean, like I've said on other episodes, you know, the when I get into flow state through drumming is the only time I feel asymptomatic. Um so kind of to corroborate all this is that there's absolutely something I think to drumming specifically. Like I said, like we've said, like you said, anything can can get you to flow state and all that. And but I can't say to me and I know there's research, there's a there's a uh researcher at IU in there that's that was doing am I right on that? I don't I don't know about that one. I I don't know if he's at IU. Dr. Eagleman was the guy that I was talking about. Right. He I think he was down in Texas. Well I'm an idiot whatn't IU was Texas then. That's the name. Yeah, it's the name. But he's I mean it sounds like he was researching drumming specifically. He he was the guy that was putting the EG caps on and having people play and he would map. Yeah, and I'm like, I I keep trying I need to get in contact with that mother because I'd be curious to see if that helps anything, because I mean it it's what got me by and it's what uh somehow it it is what makes me be able to do what I do. And like you, you know, to help to help increase your IQ uh level.
SPEAKER_00:There's that's well, that wasn't the plan. It's just I didn't even know it happened. I just got older, I just started getting older. I started realize, okay, example, the coronavirus vaccine. I'm thinking I'm gonna take that. That's been tested. I knew that the uh flu vaccine had been developed over 60 years, and that was hurting people. No, I'm taking this. Um it's uh I'm not phoning for the politician. No, I I just for you've done this for years, like it's just common sense. Uh it's and common sense isn't very common. I realize that uh the talk about TED Talks. Are you familiar with the works of uh what's his name? Uh Ken, what's his name? Ken Robertson. He set up TED Talks. He's a British guy, Sir Ken Robertson, he was knighted by the Queen of England. Uh and he talks about he's a polio survivor, so he walks around with a cane. He's an interesting guy. Makes jokes about a school he was makes jokes at school about at school he was a sports captain. But he's he's very funny, Matt. Um he talks about these studies that were done in the States, I know it was like 1990s, 1980s, where they got together many clever, uh well-skilled psychologists, child psychologists, and they tested, want to see what percentage of uh American children uh were creative geniuses. And the test was they showed them a paper clip. You heard the talk before? Showed them a paper clip and said, Okay, so they showed them a paper clip and said, obviously it was done with hundreds of doctors and thousands of kids. Um, and showed these kids a paper clip and tell us what you can do with uh you can do with a paperclip. If you get over 200 things, you're a genius. They did it with five-year-olds, ten-year-olds, and fifteen-year-olds. What percentage of five-year-olds could do more than two hundred things with a paperclip? Not understand that most didn't most of them didn't know what a paper clip was.
SPEAKER_02:I imagine that would five-year-olds do better than the older.
SPEAKER_00:What do you think? What percentage of five-year-olds think could do more than two hundred things with a paperclip?
SPEAKER_02:Fifty percent. Well I'm half?
SPEAKER_00:Is that a Okay, it's 95%. Ten year olds w was about 50%. Fifteen year olds is about five percent. They've done it with a brick, done it with a stick, all sorts of things. Because the kid goes, he he he's a he's a comb. Okay, comb. Uh it's a boat, it's a flower, it's Frankenstein's teeth. It's my it's banging my brother, it's a pen, it's a ship, it's uh it's dinner. Uh they just play with it. Where uh a kid has been educated is like, uh, well, I could put it uh hold some paper in together. Um maybe someone in a bank could hold some notes together with it. Uh you could maybe put it holding a note with a pin on a board. Uh morons. And as he has he is clear, this is what started TED Talks. The conclusion he came through with his experts, who are experts, the more you educate a kid in the current system, the dumber they come. So his question is is this what happens or is it by design? I think it's by design. Uh the uh and that's been exposed. One thing, oh, we'll get a bit politically, one thing Donald Trump has exposed is that there are many wicked people in this world who make a lot of money off people's misery. That's now been exposed and they're now showing themselves. Uh, when you get people in this world saying, you know, uh, it's wrong to stop the war in Ukraine, it's like, hang on, you listen to what you're saying. You're saying you want people to die. Rather than saying, is there another way we can stop this war? Rather than just attacking it, is there another way can we discuss it? This seems a bit extreme of being friends with a dictator. It maybe there's not. I don't know. I'm not a war expert. Uh or you, you know, like you know, uh all these trade people say to me in Australia, oh, transgender kids are as common as red hair. Red hair's very strong in my family. There's no transgender kids in my family. I think it's fine if an adult of the age of 18 wants to change the body parts. That's their business. As long as they've gone to a good psychologist, got the right advice, um fine. A seven-year-old boy don't get the dick sore out in case dict off. No, that's a really bad idea because it's gonna it's gonna take him about 45 minutes to urinate, it's gonna it's gonna sting like hell. Uh, and when he thinks he's got his first period, he's actually bleeding to death. Don't do that to people. If an adult says to a doctor, I want you to remove my left arm, illegally you can do that. I don't know why you want to do that. Maybe in future robotics you might want that because you're gonna do better in shockboard at the Olympics. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:But it's a big fan of Rick Allen.
SPEAKER_00:Who's Rick Allen? Yeah. Oh, okay, great, yeah. We we play pedals because of Rick Allen. Uh Rick Allen, you know, uh the shark pedal never took off, but it's a great pedal. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he was great when he was younger. Um obviously traditional group, like Tony traditional group. The um uh the uh so yeah, so it's what was I saying? Um I've lost my train of thought. The um uh yeah, uh Sir Ken uh Robertson, incredible. So the way we'll we'll educate. So I'm saying is because I I I wasn't taught well, other people were taught because I wasn't good with the work, I'd teach my own own stuff uh and learn my own way. I developed I I did what most humans would do. I developed a lot of common sense. Uh the um I like that I I don't think much of that, I just have a little time with the person, but I like the thing he said, Simon Cow from um America.talent. He does those terrible shows where they make fun of people who audition who can't sing, which I think is disgusting. I think that's disgusting because those people, that's on never then there forever, and that's what won't help their life. Uh but one particular girl asks, how how can you say I can't sing if I had 10 years of training? And Simon Cow says, Because I wasn't your teacher. Because he's basically saying, because I wouldn't teach you what you were taught. Which is quite interesting. He's saying it in an afterway though. Uh the um uh uh because it gets ratings. But yeah, because you people ask me, why is it you okay? Uh people asked me, uh who do you sound like? Me. I don't sound like Tony. Uh it certainly does sound like Steve Gadd. Uh you play Mosinbeek. Yeah, it doesn't sound like Steve Gadd, though. Um, Mosenbeak's an ancient rhythm. He didn't make it up. Uh the uh I don't sound like the golfing Rolling Stones, I don't sound like the golf road five, don't sound like any of these guys. Um, and that's that everyone should stand that way. 1960s and 70s, up to 90s up to the late early 80s, everyone standing differently. Everyone's down. Terry Bosio is the only Terry Bosio, he was the only guy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Michael Warden was the only Michael Warden. Lenny White was uh um uh Billy Cobb without the three bass drums. I mean Buddy Rich sounded enough like Tim Cooper. Max Rose sounded like no one, they're all different. Now all the drums sound the same because they're so manufactured so perfectly. They're hideous. I hate new drums, can't stand them. Uh the SWA used acrylics because they just don't sound like wooden drums. The um uh they all sound the same. Let's let's do some stacks, do stacks, have these stupid five symbols on top, like a handcuff sound, put in front of my stand drum. It's just can someone think for themselves. The first first person that did that grape is like, oh, you're playing my symbols, they've got to use that. You're gonna have that. Remember when I went with sternal drums, you've got to use the delight kit. But I delight, I want to use the S-class pet of drums to no, use the delight. No, use the delight, go in the Melbourne. You're using the the um designer series, designer series, oh, I want another one. It's too heavy. I hate that crap. It's all about marketing and stuff. Whereas Buddy Rich use what drums he wants, Louis would use what drums he wants, all those guys use whatever drums he wants. Steve Gabbers using Gretsch. He went to Amar. Um, it's everyone's got their own thing. But now, as Dennis Jamers says, 99% of people know copycats. No copy coats. I know someone who sounds like Dennis Jambers. Dennis Jambers sounds like Dennis Jambers. Um Tony Roaster Jr. I know someone sounds like him. Tony Roaster Jr. sounds like him. It's uh how many drummers sound like Stuart Copeland? No one. Okay. Manicacho, Manicacho say his name. Okay, he uses splash symbols. He's a Coska percussionist. That's why he sounds that way. Oh, it's just so cool. It's so refreshing.
SPEAKER_02:Um it's uh annoying to see that that's how it's gone. I mean, like, you know, you put on any ex-hoc drummer or you know, any of those guys.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the production makes it sound like that.
SPEAKER_02:The producers make it sound like that. That's also true. And you know, there's a big thing right now calling out a lot of the social media drummers for overdubbing and adding MIDI shums to their performances.
SPEAKER_00:And there is it's like a breast implant.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but what is your perspective? I I imagine where you're what you're gonna think, but what is your perspective as far as you know, now it's about perfection. Um, you know, whether it's through not me.
SPEAKER_00:My video, every first type of me and none of that bullshit. What's in all with me? Make the same mistake, I better do that again. No. I know he's saying you're gonna talk about that Spanish guy, says do it a hundred times. That's what he does. He does it, and he does it very well. He does it very, very well. Um I think it's fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:I mean it's funny you brought him up because I was not specifically talking about him because my thing is he actually does put the work in for the perfect. Yeah, he does. He does it very well. That's not what he's going for at all. Um I can't do that. You're talking more about the battle guy that got caught. Well, not only that, it's that instead of just playing and and and and feeling good and enjoying it, you know, all these even gospel chop guys are well, they all sound the same for one thing, so they're not developing their own voices. You know, like one thing I could say even about my drumming, I'm not to your guys' level, but I I do sound like me. I think if you heard me play, you would know, hear me enough. You'd be like, oh, that's Nick. It's like you guys have your own voices, and I don't see that a lot. And I think social media is hearing that for sure. You've got these, you know, content.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, they're okay, okay, okay, because we're not so social media, okay. My um Instagram page, which I never look at. My my business partner, uh Eason, this Congo guy, he he's a got the physique of Olympic athlete, he's fantastic, he's a fitness guy, but he's one of the finest guitarists in the world. Um, he puts videos on there. We've got about 120,000 subscribers. Now, these guys, you know, oh 100,000 subscribers. I just want to break news to you, fellas. It was 120,000 subscribers. That must be awesome. Ask how much money do you think I get every month from that?$10,000. I'd say how much money I get every month for that. I get zero from that. Zero. Nothing. There's no money they made. Oh, that guy's got 150,000 subscribers on YouTube. Like that guy that does some interesting lessons that are that uh is it 50, 20 drummer or something like that? It always looks like he's asleep. That's some interesting stuff. Um, GC makes nothing out of that. You know, it's uh it's it people have this illusion. Oh, so if I cop everyone, then one day I'll be famous and I'll I'll be like Cobers. You'd never be like Cobers. Sorry. He's better looking than you, he's better play than you. And he started drum channel. What are you talking about? You're not jumping a lake. Sorry, you won't be cobers.
SPEAKER_02:No, and I I think if that's your goal, then why the fuck are you playing to begin with? I mean, exactly. You know what I mean? Like, I think you should play for the love of the craft, and then if you have something to say on the instrument, you should put it out there. Um I mean, I I I the only reason I put my videos out there. Yeah. Tony's working on finally getting his stuff out there. He's finally looking forward to that. I can't wait for it. And I can't imagine it's not gonna just explode. But my thing with it is, you know, I'm not playing incredible stuff. It is literally just me having fun on the kit, which is kind of a is um infectious in that way. Isn't that the idea though? Isn't that the idea to have fun on the kit?
SPEAKER_00:That's the idea though, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:That's exactly it. And I actually, believe it or not, I'm kinda like you. I I do one take. I turn on the camera, I play it, and that's it. Um it's not, I mean, you're when you do that, I watch all I watch almost all your daily Facebooks. I'm just like, fuck, you know, because I know you're doing that.
SPEAKER_00:Um I haven't I haven't done anything for a month because there's a couple of deaths in the family, so I just sort of, you know, taking care of the stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I know you mentioned, you know, one of them recently. So um but I you know, I love your Facebook videos. Um and I love just what you're showing. And like I said, I I I think that resonates just genuine, you know, not like I said, I respect El Estoprio for sure what he's doing. Um that's not what I'm going for. And I think unfortunately the El Estoprio's fantastic slayer, but striving for that perfection so hard is what all these younger drummers are now striving for.
SPEAKER_00:But what he's doing though, it's interesting because uh you think he was losing what?
SPEAKER_02:I think then you're losing the passion for the playing and you're just striving for perfection.
SPEAKER_00:Well, he does what he shows a bit, and I think most of his fans know but don't really get it, is the amount of practice he's done. Um enormous amounts of practice. You don't just get up there and start playing blistering uh bass drums with drinking a coffee and flicking sticks. I mean, it just doesn't happen. Uh when you got Dennis Chambers saying you're the best drummer in the world, it's uh he's put an enormous amount of time into that. Um he's getting paid his just rewards and he just deserves that. Uh the um I were one of those guys where they scare. I know in in in Sydney, I'd rather get killed for gigs, and I think it's because one, because I wouldn't have the vaccine. I know that's a fact. I refuse to. And people then people could that that people are like, okay, I forgive you for being wrong, but you will you forgive me for being right? No, they never will. That's fine, okay. That was the government's plan. They achieved it. Okay, I'll get on with it. Other thing is also I've heard that this in Hong Kong people saying, oh, why are we playing going to break into 2116? Why would I break into 2116 and I'm playing boom, boom, why would I do that? I could, but why would I do that? If I did, I'd play 2116 over 4-4 just to really piss you off. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do it. I mean, I I don't mean I'd play 24-16 modulo through 4-4. In the space of four counts, I'll play 21-16. I'm not gonna do that. And I remember Chad Wackerman, he came to Australia years ago because he's got a disabled boy who he loves to lie to death, of course. I'm very proud of, but it's difficult having a disabled child, we know about that. Uh the um uh he educated him in in Sydney. He could barely get a gig. Who's gonna employ Chad Wackerman? He's too good. How can someone be too good?
SPEAKER_02:Looks like they're overqualified, I guess. But it's ridiculous. And certain other musicians also have insecurities. When you were talking about the 21 over 16. Okay, just because you know that I can do that makes you feel insecure that that might pop up somewhere and it would throw you off and make you look bad on a bang uh on a bandstand. So I mean I've I've heard too many people say the same thing. Well, there's no I don't want to hear you play Latin left foot. Well, why the hell would I? We're playing Proud Mary.
SPEAKER_00:He could squeeze two, three clavi in it. I'm thinking about how. Okay. But I think I need food.
SPEAKER_02:I hear the sentiment with the the the crazy thing is, is and I and I still play in like, you know, bar bands, dance bands, and stuff like that. And I think it's because I continue to play that style of music, it especially after the modern drummer thing, people needed to hear me play simple because they were afraid I was gonna come light the bandstand on fire. And it's like, no, that's not what that's for. That's that's a whole other thing. So other side, that's okay. And I mean, do I enjoy that kind of stuff? Sure. I mean, that's why I put all the time that I do it. Because same kind of thing with with what you've done. Yeah, I mean, that stuff is amazing, but I'm pretty sure you don't even show up with a kit that you could do that stuff to play a cover gig. So it's it there's so much insecurity and and uh my kit's here.
SPEAKER_00:It's a 954 premiere. It's got one bass drum, uh one tom, one floor tom, a snare drum, and two cymbals.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. You're ready to go. Well, okay, let me ask you, let me ask you two like literal virtuosos here, and like legit legitimately, because you guys are obviously truly world-class players and uh objectively world-class players. So the fact that you guys both can do all this absolute insanity, whatever your niche is, because you both have very distinct niches with what you do, and it's phenomenal things, phenomenal um concepts and things. Does it bother you that people don't catch on to that?
SPEAKER_00:No, the stupid does it does does architect does uh architect bother that someone doesn't get the uh complexities of the applied mathematics of they've uh design? No. I personally think first for me, this for me, uh arrogance wanting to do that. I I just accept, you know, when I mean I walk down out of my apartment, my house here, down the footpath, past the trees. I don't have to have the understanding of the the the trees as a botanist does. I don't doesn't bother me. Yeah, I see I just accept that no, that's fine. Um it does bother me when someone says good beat, it's like okay, you're saying good beat and you're uh it's pretty crap, so you're a moron, yeah. But then again, you know, but but but when it comes to Romanian or speaking Italian, I'm a moron. We're all morons. I can't reverse park a truck. I can't start a train. I can't do an oil change in the car. Um, I don't know what those things on the train line are, where the cables are, where it with the train touches, and I don't know what those things are called. I mean moron, we're all morons, and that's why I don't like these musicians who think they're so special because they're they've got pop they're popular. So I I don't think you know where the bell of a bassoon is. I I'd be surprised if you know how to make uh a um a uh rice pea life. I mean, you go on all day. We're all morons. People carry on like as if they think they're Jesus Christ. You're not. What did Socrates say when he was dying? I now know what I know. I know nothing. He's a pretty smart guy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's a good thing. He's a smart guy. I I think, I mean, I struggle with this too. I don't know about you guys, but it it's where you're like, I'm not okay. I struggle being okay with not knowing so much. And I don't need to be I don't mean like an expert or anything. It's like I I don't like the idea that there is so much I don't know. You know that I'm somebody who can't let things relax.
SPEAKER_00:Like you know, my saying that I I still don't know what Tony does. I still can't give my head around it.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right. Here's the thing is that I conceptually, and I'm talking conceptually, understand what you're doing, what Tony does, even what Virgil does, conceptually, I I can pick up on that. Can I physically replicate that? No. Do I have a desire to at this point? No. Yes, I do. I remember having that conversation about the fives. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm watching a lot of these guys play the fives and and all that stuff, and I'm like, God, that's cool. And I was trying a long time, I was like spending so many hours, spending so many hours trying to hold that perfectly. And finally, I'm like, why am I doing this? Because you guys do all sorts of things that are brilliant, and I'm like, fuck, I wish I could do that.
SPEAKER_00:But in saying that, can you play true by standard ballet? It's a serious question. Most drummers can't do it because of the brakes. They're out of time when they come back in.
SPEAKER_01:Where's the sound? Where's the sound gone? Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_00:I can't hear you. Wave your hand if you can hear me.
SPEAKER_02:Can you hear us now?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. I was saying, but it's all these fancy things. Can you play true? Can you play true by um Spando Ballet? And most drummers can't, because the brakes we're out of time. Yeah. He can sing it, of course he plays so many instruments. So yeah, I'm just saying the brake is so because it's a drum machine. It's it's so precise. Um and it's those sort of things that are difficult. It's like, can you play drums like Leavenhelm and the band and sing and sound like that? No.
unknown:No. Right.
SPEAKER_00:But Jim Kyotner talks about that, but he said, but I can't sing like Leaven.
unknown:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:So I told the complexity of things. That's why I don't I don't get it with people. They they I don't care they don't appreciate what I do, but there's morons. I mean, they they think that um you know, people say, but I don't really like that. Yeah, but he's hot. Well, I'm not gay, I don't get off of that. And it's like, you know, he's hot. But it looks like a girl. Yeah, he's hot. Okay, he's hot. Fantastic. I'm happy for he's hot. Fantastic. Uh um, so what's that got to do with the music? Right. He's hot. Okay, fine. Um I think like they go, Buddy Rich warming, you guys like guys like that. Buddy Rich warming these people, you know, firing their guitars and stuff, detracting the fact that they can't play their instruments. Buddy warned us about these guys. Um, Frank Zappa warned us about these guys. Uh but I'm not gonna dwell on that because there's bigger things in the world. There are people dying of diseases that shouldn't be on this planet. There are uh there are maniacs making viruses, blaming countries like China uh when they financed it and basically made it. Uh I'm sick of hearing this shit. It's like, you know, there's bigger things in the world that someone understands what Tony, Tony Madeiras and Chris Bryan are doing. Um I said they could, but then, you know, that's fine. Uh but every day, every day we walk past geniuses, we just don't know. Every week we walk past murderers.
SPEAKER_02:That's a scary one.
SPEAKER_00:That's pretty scary.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah, that's that's part of being human, right?
SPEAKER_00:And every minute we walk past transgender people because they're everywhere.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, you're you're right. You're absolutely right, Chris. Yeah, I hell that's that's a very organic place to stop it, actually. If you're good.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not talking about it, transgender. I'm sorry if I offend anyone who's who's struggling with uh gender dysphoria. I do I do apologize.
SPEAKER_02:No, but you you made a good point on that as far as like wait till you're an adult to make that decision. I was actually to wrap it up. I was talking to my wife even about that. You know, we have a son, and would I ideally prefer Max beat um Pedro? Yes, but the reason why is because of the struggles he's gonna have in society from it. How hard that's how hard that's going to be for him. It has nothing to do with religious bullshit or any of that. It's like, you know what? If if he will if he is is that, that's great. He also needs to organically come to that decision himself. Um if you shove I think if you shove anything down your kid's throats, whether it's religion, whether it's sexuality, um, you know, likes and dislikes, any of that. I think they have to come organically to that.
SPEAKER_00:How old is he?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, eleven months.
SPEAKER_00:I think like whether he's a whether he's a whether he has Pinola to stop whether he's a shirtlifter.
SPEAKER_02:He's either gonna be a shirtlifter or a puth or wear a poof star or um I mean would I prefer him as my son to be heterosexual? Yes, I mean I would. But again, mainly it's you know, I for the the struggles he's going to have, anybody would have with being homosexual, or I mean, worse is in the struggles they're gonna have transgender. Again, you have to come to that organically through your formative years. I mean, how many of us are so fucked up in our teens? You know, we don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_00:The truth is you and she basically saying you don't want him to come home one day and say, Dad, Daddy, I want to I want to pose the donkey. You don't need it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, if he's 18 and he wants to explore that, that's fine. I mean, hell, kids are exploring things in school anyway. But my point is that that needs to be an organic thing that he comes to.
SPEAKER_00:It's interesting, you're such a young you've got such a young child. So turning up with having these thoughts, my child was 11 months old. We're thinking about when's this Navy training gonna finish and uh uh uh when's this when's this morning chant gonna finish? It's gonna go for about 29 years. Uh the um uh we weren't thinking about whether um my son's gonna come out and say, I really like cock. We're doing everything, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Like um Do you know why who was that ingredient? Because it's so prevalent now.
SPEAKER_00:Um there you know, it wasn't thrown in your guys' face when even your son or that's a poor choice of words.
SPEAKER_02:It wasn't thrown in your face. You're right. What the thing is that you know with no mushroom stamps.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Oh god. Well, sorry, we'll be serious with you. Sorry. No, it's irrelevant. The amount of cocks to the face these days is too many cocks on the face, but that is just so in in damn it, I keep wanting to say in our faces, and now y'all ruin it.
SPEAKER_00:Who's who's that comedian that that uh Russell Peters? You've seen that joke he does about that. You know that he says women in the eighties, so push 90s, uh Atlantic strip, thousands, nothing. Twenties, 2020. Fuck. It's like oh, that's good. That's he was really angry about it, so it's like he's saying, my father said there's many there's no homosexuals in no homosexuals in in India. Dad with any few homosexuals in India. We'd never have some. Russell Bates is a very funny man. Um there you go. Uh so there you go. Going to comedians, Joe Rogan.
SPEAKER_02:Movies, uh movies, drumming, comedian, transgenders, and comedian. I mean, we've covered it all. Yeah. And uh man, this this went a while, Chris. Like, this was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00:We really tried drumming though. Didn't talk about uh didn't really talk much about drumming or uh part two. I do part two, that'd be good, okay. That'd be great. I can find it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, we we would love to do part two. Like that was a blast. Um well you can actually what do they call it when you have the recurring because honestly, it would be awesome. A sequel. I I do think it would be fun to bring him on live. Yeah, uh, he doesn't have a TikTok though. Oh, he has Insta though. He has Insta. You can do it on Insta. Can you do it on Instagram? Yeah, it's not quite as big, but would you uh question, Chris? Eventually, would you want to go live with us on Insta? You know what that is? I know you're not big into the social.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I even know I've got an account I'm gonna look at it. Uh I'm assuming Insta is Instagram, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02:If we just have to do that. What it would be is that we would go live, like people would be able to tune in as we're having the conversation. Excuse me. I tooted. Oh, I pooted out. Well, now it's for forever. But um, what I was gonna say you go, fantastic.
SPEAKER_00:You made you ready.
SPEAKER_02:Ready to go. I have a virgin anus.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, it's going, it's going it's going downhill now very quickly. Um we can keep going, Chris.
SPEAKER_02:This is this is how it goes. Toward the end of the episodes is where it goes off the rail. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um I've literally I've got uh four minutes.
SPEAKER_02:All right.
SPEAKER_00:Three minutes.
SPEAKER_02:We'll just sit here in silence for that three minutes. You know what? I'll speak into the microphone and you can orgasm while I speak into it. There you go, a little ASMR to carry some orgasms.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. There you go.
SPEAKER_02:You know, what I'm gonna wrap it up with and Tony's gotta get up at four in the morning.
SPEAKER_00:What time is that now? About 11? What time is it?
SPEAKER_02:1112.
SPEAKER_00:You go up at 4 a.m., mate?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. He's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:You're working in the hospital at early in the morning, is that what you're doing?
SPEAKER_02:Oh no. That's my therapy. I go to the gym.
SPEAKER_00:Is it a home gym or are you actually going physically to a gymnasium?
unknown:I gotta go to the gym. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:What what is it? Leg the legs tomorrow? Uh upper torso, what is it tomorrow?
SPEAKER_02:Tomorrow. Tomorrow we'll be back in biceps and butt.
SPEAKER_00:Working your butt? Okay, fantastic. I can't stand it.
SPEAKER_02:One of my favorite jokes Bill Burr is having on his pot. Do you like Bill Burr? He's got three minutes.
SPEAKER_00:Not when he's talking about Australia, because he talks crap. He doesn't know nothing about Australia. I don't know how he's talking about Australia.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's funny is none of none of no American knows anything about truly Australia. I've learned so much about it.
SPEAKER_00:It's just crap about it. It just talks crap. So I uh when he starts talking about Australia, I thought, you know, I don't make jokes about New York. I don't know anything.
SPEAKER_02:I I yeah, at times it's talking about jokes about you should make jokes about New York. But one of his funny joke about the gym is he has a big gay gym. He like when he goes to the gym, most of the people there are gay. And he says his gym is so gay it should be spelled J-I-M. And that the crowd goes wild. Anyway, sorry. I thought that was weird. J-I-M. Like J-I-M. Like the name. Jim. It's so gay that it should be called J-I-M, not J-Y-M. G-Y-M. It should be spelled J-I-S-M. That was better. And we're gonna do the podcast on that one.
SPEAKER_00:That's that's fantastic. Good luck to you.
SPEAKER_02:Thanks, Bill.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks, Bill, for giving us a Yeah, not a huge Bill Burr fan, not a huge fan. I was in Charse. When you said to my Australian, it's like, oh, I'm this is, you know, then they try and do Australian accents. It's like, oh gee.
SPEAKER_02:But you love my Australian accent. It's just cringe. You love my Australian accent.
SPEAKER_00:Give me an Australian. Give it to me.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. And let's go. Let's let's in it with an Australian accent, Ma.
SPEAKER_00:Holding this lady from uh Sussex.
SPEAKER_02:It's like Miss Doubtfire. Okay. My wife described it as the seagull from uh finding Nemo.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that is. She's right, it is. Uh the uh right.
unknown:I mean they were rattled.
SPEAKER_00:Rob Robin Williams couldn't do an Australian accent, Jim Carrey can't do it. Some people can. Uh the Australian accent and the uh the South African accent are hard to do. But me, like you Blackbusted, we can speak like a South African, because a South African accent is very similar to an Australian accent. Uh New Zealanders, hey blood, it blood, want some cover, man. Let's go down there. We've got this massive black guy, six foot three. Man, we got church on Sundays at 10 a.m. It's just amazing. You think you can rip your house off once they take a church and give you a mail. Uh we can pick out New Zealanders because we're very similar to that. Uh uh, but the Americans doing Australian actions is just cringe. It's cringe.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry you feel that way about my accent, because I thought it was pretty good. That's not a noise. That's not a noise.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you would say, huh? I can't I can't do American. I cannot do American. There's no idea American.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let's I give you my own.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_02:Let's hear your redneck. Come on, let's hear your redneck.
SPEAKER_00:I can't do redneck. Uh I think I just I I there's a I can't remember his name. He died if he's got very funny. Norm. Norm someone.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Norm McDonald. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. You know, my my my my my nephew's gonna have it. He really likes cock. So he's just that guy can't do American accents. Just on I think he's on Canadian. Is it Canadian, is he? No. Why were these talented why were these talented Americans Canadians?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, yeah, um, I wanna I want to end on something actually pretty profound here. A cock. Um I wanted to mention that um, you know, you said that American accent Americans are not good at Australian accents.
SPEAKER_00:Um Australians are not good at American accents either.
SPEAKER_02:And Finn, all right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we're not good at Australian accents. The only one here who is is uh Kate Blanchett. She's the only one. Um Mel Gibson. Well, Mel Gibson's an American who was born in America, grew up here. Uh yeah, most of we can't do Australian actions. I mean, Russell Crowe has finally now just started doing accents in movies. Up until about seven years ago, it was it wasn't until he did Unhinged, which is a great movie, uh he did an American action. Up to then he said, I don't do accents. It took me years to learn how to do that. Um Sam Neal does not do accents. What's that?
SPEAKER_02:Jackman?
unknown:Huge?
SPEAKER_00:Jackman. No, he doesn't. He's just Australian accent.
SPEAKER_02:Well, like, what about Wolverine and and prisoners?
SPEAKER_00:That's not American action, is it? It sounds more Australian to me.
SPEAKER_02:Well, then he's clearly doing a poor uh see. I think we're more accent deaf or whatever than you guys are.
SPEAKER_00:Well, there's more of you guys talking than us. That's why. The uh um it's all of us. Uh if it stays, I can hear my accent. I can hear it. The uh Huge uh Huge Act been um no uh uh and also uh what's his name? Chris Chris Hensworth. Never does an accent. He speaks with that. Oh, it's mashing, yes. Has this Australian uh uh a bit like um uh uh who's the guy who mashed the uh the stuck up doctor who's at the end towards the end of the series? Um uh winchy or something. Winshire Wolchie or something like that. Um had that um and also um uh who else had that? Um uh Ruddy McDowell had that accent. Uh Dr. Smith from the Lost of Space had that accent. It's a a refined British American accent where uh Chris Hensworth has this refined Australian accent, which is slightly British.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, Chris Hensworth.
SPEAKER_00:He doesn't know American accent, he doesn't know American accent.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Chris Hemsworth is tall.
SPEAKER_00:Now you now you sound like South South African.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, I'll tell you what. I will try to do certain accents and I swing in between fifty of them. It's that it's that great.
SPEAKER_00:I can't do accents. I can't do American accents is very difficult. Can't do it. When I was a kid, I I didn't hear American accents on TV shows. When Marsha Brady was on television, to me she was speaking like an Australian. I couldn't hear sure. Exactly. I couldn't hear her. I can now. Um the monsters, do they have American accents?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Such a good show. Uh Herman. And uh Lily's just gorgeous. Oh my god. Uh they're just a fantastic TV show. Uh the um Yeah, we couldn't hear the accent. Get Smart, I heard the accent. Don Adams, I can hear the accent. He's obviously a comic genius. I could hear his accent. Um uh and someone in Australia we don't like is Jim Jefferys. We can't stand the guy. He's a prick.
unknown:I'm not Van Ham either.
SPEAKER_00:He's Australian comedian, quite successful. He's not he's not as successful as Bill Burr, but he's doing pretty well. Uh, we we don't like him, he's an arrogant prick. That would be good for your podcast. That's why I was wrong then. You just he's play playing character. You're just playing character. I I don't know. I have no idea. Um it's uh I don't know. Because he swears a lot. And I'm not re you get like the Isaac Butterfield guy, the Australian guy. He I think he swears too much. I don't uh it was funny when Richard Pry did it. Uh that's been done.
SPEAKER_02:Are you saying it's kind of black? You're saying it's because he's black. Hey Chris. Chris.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna go. You gotta go.
SPEAKER_02:I gotta end on this. I gotta end on this. He does, Chris. Why don't you have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck out? That's really what you're gonna say. That's what you're gonna end on?
SPEAKER_00:Why you why you why why are you holding a child's cup?
SPEAKER_02:Huh? It's not a child cup, it's it's my tea.
SPEAKER_00:It's your tea in a cup.
SPEAKER_02:You don't want to know what's in here, Chris.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't know. I do not want to know, no.
SPEAKER_02:Um Well, we will we will uh we will do our uh typical uh sign-off, which is where we uh go off camera and you know do things to our anyway. This is beat beat the mental health out of it with your host, the defective schizo effective, aka Nick. This is Tony Indy Pocket.
SPEAKER_00:And this is Um Christian John Stephen Bryan.
unknown:Awesome.
SPEAKER_00:What? Some people call me pedal boy, some people call me future shock. Depends on who you're talking to.
SPEAKER_02:Pedal boy future shocker.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So um it was just Chris Bryan. Or in Japan. Clitlian.
SPEAKER_02:Clislean. Clitlian. It's nice, it's very nice.
SPEAKER_00:I like Japanese.
SPEAKER_02:That's hot. That's hot.
SPEAKER_00:Um Japanese are Japanese are awesome.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes. Don't look all right, Mart. Don't land bottle, didn't I say it again? You ought to look to the sow you've become.
SPEAKER_00:English accents. English accent.
SPEAKER_02:That was a horrible accent, by the way. That's the best accent I've ever heard, Chris. Right here.
SPEAKER_00:That's good. Well, I'm uh it's 221. I'll get my daughter soon, otherwise she's gonna get angry at me.
SPEAKER_02:Uh get her. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get her. I'll speak to you guys soon. Take a pleasure. Thank you for your time.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, thank you. That was so much fun. We'll do part two. Part Please!
SPEAKER_00:Oh disgusting people.
SPEAKER_02:That's Americans.
SPEAKER_00:That's why you haven't come here.
SPEAKER_02:We are crass and disgusting.
unknown:Goodbye.
SPEAKER_00:Hopefully, one day I do get there.
SPEAKER_02:I'd like to get there one day. Well, you can come stay with us.
SPEAKER_00:You know us.
SPEAKER_02:You gonna want to stay with me?
SPEAKER_00:I can watch.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna come and do a live in in Australia too. Actually, I yeah, that's a whole nother cast. You go ahead, you get your daughter, we'll talk again.
SPEAKER_00:You like Australian girls, I think.
SPEAKER_02:I do. They're all beautiful. Newton John started it for you.
SPEAKER_00:She did. She's running in the box, so she's doing it.
SPEAKER_02:I don't care. I did still have sex. Okay, you went there. I was gonna be a little more blunt about it. I'd still have sex actually, as bad as Xana do is, I could watch it over and over just to watch her roller skate. Oh, her in Greece at the end of that? Oh my god. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I never I never got that. I thought I saw her in those pants thinking she must stink. There's sweating in that pants. So I thought.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sure there was a fair amount of I don't care how much you think. Odor. There had to be some odor.
SPEAKER_00:But that studio lights are hot. No.
SPEAKER_02:Feel your way.
SPEAKER_00:But that's nice. The movies still play. They still play. Those movies still play.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And John Travolta was sensational. They still play. Absolutely. Good stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Feel good in leather pants too, Chris. Stop it. Alright.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I thought we were talking about M. Freegan and and John Travolta in leather pants. I thought that's what this was about. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:That's the part two. You're doing the T's on the part two. T's are for part two.
SPEAKER_00:I believe John Travolta bats for the other side. Is that true?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think you're right. He bats for the other side? Yeah. He did not know that. He's with Christy Brinkley. Or right, is that Joel? Christy Brinkley's a translate. Who's Billy Joel with?
SPEAKER_00:That's Billy Joel. Christy Brinkley? Oh, Christy Brinkley. And he wrote some song we didn't like it.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Tanger.
SPEAKER_00:No, I know, but um, it's just a terrible song.
SPEAKER_02:Somebody really attractive it was. Kelly Kelly Redman? Was he with Kelly? Kelly Ball. Kelly. Kelly. I know who you're talking about. Kelly Clarkson. But you're saying it was the beard? I don't even know what you're talking about. Cover. I still don't know what you're talking about. I know you're talking about. Don't look to the Yeah. Alright, we're actually gonna end it this time, although that was a great epilogue.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. Well, enjoy your week. Good luck, everyone.
SPEAKER_02:We'll be in touch. Let's talk drums later, and we'll go live on Insta and all that great, wonderful thing. Things.
SPEAKER_00:That's cool. Me just talking like this or being on the kit.
SPEAKER_02:We can do I think we should do a kit one, especially you and T-Dog here. Like you guys, I'll just sit and jacket while you guys are doing it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That could work.
SPEAKER_02:That could work. Just make the camera's pointing low.
SPEAKER_00:Tony's gotta go to sleep. He's gotta go to the gym tomorrow morning. He's gotta go and impress someone.
SPEAKER_02:That part's true. And you gotta pick up your daughter.
SPEAKER_00:So your son is with you just at home now, just you and your son. Is that correct?
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. No, my wife hasn't at home.
SPEAKER_00:No, I'm talking about Tony.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, my son's in the house.
SPEAKER_00:Fantastic. So is it just you and him?
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Wife is great. It's pretty good. So don't ever go down. Don't ever go down there again. Never do that again. Not worth it.
SPEAKER_01:Don't look to the the bottle, the knife, or the gun, or a woman.
SPEAKER_02:Or the lady.
SPEAKER_00:No, the woman's the most lethal.
SPEAKER_02:Don't even go there. Is that good? Yes. We're gonna lose so many listeners. Probably. Send the hate mail to Chris Bryan. Chris Brian! Kiss Chris Brian Something Brilliant.
SPEAKER_00:Christy and John Sleeve and Bryant.
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