Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! | Dark Humor Conversations On Mental Health, Trauma & Society
If you live with mental illness — or love someone who does — and you’re tired of sugar-coated wellness talk, this show is for you.
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! (AKA “BTMHOOI!”) is a candid mental health podcast with dark humor and lived-experience truth. We tell it like it is, so you don’t have to.
Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) and frequently joined by co-host Tony Medeiros (“IndyPocket”), we have brutally honest conversations about serious mental illness, trauma, and the real-world systems that shape mental health. Topics include schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, psychosis, bipolar disorder, BPD, PTSD, depression, anxiety, addiction recovery, religious trauma, psychiatric medication, disability, good therapy, bad therapy, psych wards, and practical real-world coping — plus relationships, family dysfunction, work, creativity, and society.
You’ll hear:
- Lived-experience perspective from someone navigating psychosis, relapse, parenting, and recovery in real time.
- No-BS conversations about what helps, what doesn’t, and what the mental health stigma gets wrong.
- Dark humor and honest storytelling that educates and humanizes instead of sensationalizing.
- Interviews with everyday people, professionals, and notable guests, because mental health struggles don’t care who you are.
This show is for anyone trying to survive therapy, meds, trauma, and everyday chaos — or trying to understand a loved one who is. If you want language for what you’re experiencing, conversations that don’t flinch, and a judgment-free vibe with some laughs along the way, you’re in the right place.
We’re not your therapists — we’re fellow passengers on “The Struggle Bus,” sharing what we’ve learned the hard way and refusing to suffer in silence.
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! | Dark Humor Conversations On Mental Health, Trauma & Society
Shadow Work, Dangerous Urges & Self-Control | Safe Expression Vs. Exploitation
In this episode, we delve into the complexities of navigating shadow work and managing dangerous urges through safe expression and guided exploration, while staunchly opposing exploitation. We openly discuss themes of consent, boundaries, and the importance of seeking professional help when faced with overwhelming feelings—highlighting that glamorizing such urges is not an option.
Tune in for insights on our 2-E framework: Expression & Exploration, aimed at reducing risk by promoting safe, legal outlets and professional support. We establish bright lines to illustrate why exploitation is never acceptable. Gain a deeper understanding of how judgment can spike risks while containment can lower them, plus how to build authentic guardrails for navigating sensitive topics.
Discover the pitfalls of social media hot takes compared to the benefits of careful and supervised work, and why quick-fix solutions often fall short compared to qualified care.
Post one safe, legal outlet you’ll use this week AND the professional step you’ll take (e.g., schedule with a licensed therapist, group counseling, etc.). Our Discord "The Struggle Bus" is ONLY for support—we are NOT therapists, but we can point you in the right direction. (link below)
REMEMBER: You are NOT a bad person if you take responsibility for your urges and seek professional help if you can't control them.
If you’re struggling (U.S.): Call/Text 988 (Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, 24/7).
If anyone is in immediate danger, call 911
Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! (AKA “BTMHOOI!”) is a candid mental health podcast rooted in lived experience: schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, BPD, PTSD, trauma recovery, coping skills, and dark humor that helps make serious mental illness more understandable and human.
Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) with frequent co-host Tony Medeiros (“IndyPocket”), we cover psych wards, psychiatric medication, disability, religious trauma, good therapy, bad therapy, and practical real-world coping — plus the societal and relationship issues that shape mental health every day. The goal isn’t just “fighting stigma.” It’s education, clarity, and honest conversation.
We interview everyone from everyday people to public figures, clinicians, and professionals, because mental health struggles don’t care who you are. If you’re willing to share your story or expertise, we aim to offer a safe, judgment-free space where you can speak openly — and still have some fun while doing it.
New episodes drop every other Monday at 6am EDT.
Want community and support? Join our Discord, “The Struggle Bus”: https://discord.gg/emFXKuWKNA
All links (TikTok, YouTube, Streaming, etc.): https://linktr.ee/BTMHOOI
Podcast cover art by Ryan Manning
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SPEAKER_02:Just call me Tony. Are we doing that now? I guess. We're on a first name basis. We're a first name basis with at least 70,000.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Just hit that mark, y'all. After Shadow Self episode, which is surprising because that's our most controversial yet. But you know what? We're about to double down on that shit. Oh boy. This is Shadow Self 2.0. Good thing I took a nap. But we're also going to talk about accountability in relation to that. So, recap of the Shadow Self episode, not that all of you aren't religiously listening to every word and episode we release. And we thank you for it. You said religion. Are you becoming a religious dealer? I've decided now. I am my own deity. I am.
SPEAKER_02:Dear dear Bottom Hui Jesus. So now I have to stop saying, oh my Nick. Have you been saying that? No. But I think I should start.
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SPEAKER_01:You and I saw that in the theater, bro. Yep. No, you're right. Okay. As long as that's established. I've been to church and taken naps since then, though.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, guys. So cleansed my soul.
SPEAKER_01:We've cleansed with DP. Deadpool. Wade Wilson. Oh, wow. I went somewhere else. I thought you might. Okay, so we're gonna recap that episode very briefly. So the shadow self acknowledging the darkest side of ourselves for ultimate growth and self-actualization growth. For those of you who saw that I know. You guys had to have seen that short. I'm not gonna tell you too much about it, but you should watch it.
SPEAKER_02:You should look it up.
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SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we are.
SPEAKER_01:So back on topic. Okay, so anyway. Yeah. So the last episode we dig into the shadow self and the importance of acknowledging that side of ourselves and how we all have it. Um, and uh accepting that about ourselves as human beings um to deny that side of ourselves that exists is not healthy. It's just not. Um, and that was the crux of that episode. Um anything else we should go. Okay. No. So you need to probably watch that one first because we're gonna double down on the thing I ended on. And you know what? I'm gonna tease it now, and we're gonna get to it later in this episode just to keep y'all hanging on. So, the end of that episode, I said Just jump right in. I'm gonna jump right in. If you want to fuck children, dramatic pause. Dramatic pause. There's more to it than that. But we're gonna get into boy, that seems like a weird place to stop, but that's gotta keep you fuckers hanging on. All right. Or get us reported. Or get us reported already. We're gonna preface this and say it numerous, numerous times. The points we're gonna make are not supporting doing that. No. So I want to preface it with that. We're gonna move on, and we'll get back to that later. Wow. I know, I'm the little cliffhanger. That is a rough cut. I know, it's on purpose. Okay, wow. All right, so where do you want to go from here? So we're gonna start off. We're gonna actually start off by not fucking kids, but not fucking over our communities. Ah, yes.
SPEAKER_02:There is a small side topic.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so um this whole this whole episode's really gonna start off uh with accountability and being genuine. Authenticity. Thank you, that's it. I couldn't think of the word. Authenticity. So here we go with that. So this call this idea, honestly, I mean, it's been a thing. Obviously, we're about on beat the mental health out of it. I'm certainly about that in my um side content, even in my drumming content. Um, I I apply it to damn near everything in my life that I can. Um I I believe in 100% authenticity, and that goes down to my personal relationships. Um I I don't like fake. Um, I'd rather have truth that is is hard to take than um than uh anything fake. I don't want I don't want my wife faking OGs, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Um There's not enough time, not enough time in the day to have to weed through anything that is just totally just blue past that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, nope, I am not digging in on your wife's OGs. No, that I'm sorry, Katie. I'm sorry. I'm serious though. That's not even a personal thing. It's it's like I don't like ingenuine in anything. That was just a really good example. Yep. And I think that's an insecurity many men have anyways. But we're not getting on that. That's next episode. Oh, yeah. We're doing an episode on men later. So anyway, the importance of authenticity and what kind of spurred this really me, with really me wanting to dig in so heavy to it, is there's a content creator that him and I absolutely adore.
SPEAKER_02:Fell in love with, quite honestly, yeah, from the inception of her channel.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and we're not gonna name drop her because it's not really about actually, it's honestly not about chastising fellow mentally ill content creators. Actually, I I'm a full believer that being brave enough to put our stories out there is kind of a big deal.
SPEAKER_02:It it is encouragement with some boundaries.
SPEAKER_01:This person was out there putting very vulnerable, very honest, very genuine content out there, and she was getting a ton of followers and likes, and people were really resonating, including us. And extreme awareness.
SPEAKER_02:Extreme awareness, actually, which was the authentic piece, and that's the part that really resonated with, I think, both of us.
SPEAKER_01:She had amazing content, and she started really breaking down in her content. Like clearly, something happened in her life, and she spiraled. It got to the point where it wasn't about supporting her community, it got about how she was essentially blaming her community in many ways for not supporting her. Am I right on that?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I I the I guess the part that I'm I I want it to be less about the person and really more about the actions that we want. Yeah, I just don't I don't want to keep calling it out as much. For me, it I don't want to do more harm by using the example. Um ultimately there were attempts to you know try to lend support, but also hey, this is the the route at the moment, not your best look, and probably counterproductive to the message you hooked all of these followers with. Um and I think if we can look at it in a more general sense to bring up your topic, mental illness itself, you know, this is one example. But there, I mean, ooh. And I will say we've had our own spiral outs over here, but we but we've stepped away from the mic and the camera. That's exactly it. And you know, it's it's okay to come and talk about it post or even talk about what symptomology there is, or even your personal experiences in. Right. But when you are in the middle of an actual crisis, flare-up, whatever you want to call it, the thing that you most need to do is uh actually one of the things that we started this channel for. You need to lean on your community and you need to step away from the forefront for just a moment. Right. My good friend, uh Oh my Nick, is going to that was really poorly done. Yeah, that was not nearly not really. But you you have some thoughts on this. That as creators with mental health diagnoses, you have some thoughts on that. So I'm gonna turn it back over to you and and try and set us on the back.
SPEAKER_01:I want to say thank you for actually commandeering that. And I was not trying to dawk her personally, no, but I'm glad you commandeered that and put it in the words you did because that sounded much better. I was coming off pretty damn intense about it, and that's not fair. So but it's authentic. But it's authentic, so intense, yeah, by default. And we're gonna get into why in a minute. So I you know, I I subscribe to quite a few mental health content, mental illness. I want to stay, well, I want to stick mainly to mentally ill content creators. So those of us who are actually mentally ill creating content, I think that is a stark difference between that and just therapist creating content or things like that. We have the experience of having it. So here's my thing, and I'm gonna name drop this person, Michelle Hammer. Had to drop the hammer, right? Ah, that was a good one. Um anyway. Do it when they're not looking. I'm just kidding. Don't let the voices tell you not. Okay, so anyway, one thing I love about what she does is she will put videos of herself in crisis. So she films her episodes of psychosis. Okay. However, she posts those and then she dissects later, which I love. So smart. She posts the episode, but she's not trying to really talk about it in those moments. It's more about here's what happened, I'm gonna show you what happened. Let me talk about it when I'm in the right mindset. So, unfortunately, this content career we were talking about kind of ostracized her community and even by default severed herself from it. That's hard. I mean, here's the thing um I've done a few videos on my TikTok that ultimately I've pulled a lot of them because I want to do more clarity and things like that. I did some where I really ranted and got really heated and said some pretty outlandish things. I'm not proud of those videos. Um, you know, I'm all about authenticity and like, hey, this is this side of it, this is that side of it. However, when we're putting those kind of videos out there, I think we're tainting the very message we're trying to put out there in many ways. Um and if I may, go ahead, a little caveat there.
SPEAKER_02:If indeed you do find yourself a creator with a diagnosis, you put something out there that you can't stand behind once you have come out of crisis, take it down. Well, take it down, but also the thing you just did. Accountability. That's been a big thing for you all along. Yep. You cannot use an excuse. Yeah, you maybe you have a diagnosis, maybe you have situations that happen, but own them. Own them and understand how not only do they affect your life, but the people around you, and that ownership, quite honestly, will never leave you without support. We'll never leave you without a growth. And I also want to throw out that this particular person that we are not targeting but are using as an example. Know that if you were to listen to this and you were to want to speak, know that you would have two supporters.
SPEAKER_01:It is not us backing away from it in any way, shape, or form. No, absolutely not. And I really feel horrible that you're going through what you're going through. I I don't know if you're watching this or not. I know you were curious about appearing on it at one point, and you are still very welcome. When when your mental health gets back to where it's manageable for you, please join us. If you never want to join us, that's okay too. Nobody is required to even put this out there. We're not talking about bottom hooy. We're talking about you're not required, anybody, mentally ill or any sort of content creator, is not required to put any part of their life out there. That's the segue. So those of us who are willing to put this out there, such as myself, Michelle Hammer, and this other woman we're mentioning, is you put this out there, it's personal stuff, and it's stuff that is misunderstood. It is things that are uncomfortable, often controversial, and very difficult to share. So if you put something out there, you're going to get a shit ton of backlash. You're going to get a shit ton of judgment. Um, so I put a video out there about suicide, and somebody literally commented, which started a whole plethora of comments. This video has like 4,000 views, which isn't that many. But I think 300 comments in this. Like, what's the percentage there? Pretty damn big for like a conversation. I wish this blew up. That's good engagement. Yeah. That's good engagement. So what's interesting is I put this up there, and this person basically said, you know, well, if you did if you didn't succeed after three times, you must not have really wanted to die. And I literally posted a video just to myself laughing my ass off at it, which was genuine, because I was like, wow, that's fucking funny. And I said, Guess I'm a moron then. So that was my approach to countering this person's comment. So what happened is I post that reaction video, and people start flooding in on both sides, mostly on my side that, hey, this is serious. And I encourage you guys to actually watch that, snip it, and then look at the comments. There's some legit conversations in there. So what I'm getting at with that is that was something very vulnerable that I put out there. But I'm in a mental place where I can take people coming in and say, well, why don't you just finish the job and shit like that? Okay. I don't care. If I'm gonna off myself, it's sure it's gonna be from some asshole in the internet. Okay. Like it's just not gonna happen. I mean, it's gonna be from my own head, if anything else. So nobody out there is gonna convince me other than myself. There's a strength in that, I guess. But what I'm getting at is there's plenty of people out there that are not in that headspace who haven't been through those ideations like I have, that if they heard that, that might be enough to get them to do it. Okay. So when those people made those comments, what I chose to do is be very passive aggressive, but also at the same time.
SPEAKER_00:What?
SPEAKER_01:You I was very passive aggressive, but I was trying not to attack, and I don't think I really did anybody. No. But what I did you ended up inviting him? That well, multiple. But one of my favorites, because I do have to cite this, the guy gets on there and he says, Gosh, my feed's been blowing up with this damn mental illness content. I just had to comment on this because I'm tired of seeing it. That was bit that was the gist of what he said. And I got on there and I said, Well, buddy, if your if your algorithm is blowing you up with mental illness content or mental health content, sounds like you're probably watching that a lot. And I literally just kind of caveated into, or whatever the word is, I think that's it. I don't know. We're not bottom dictionary. Um but I literally just went into from that, I'm like, hey, if you're struggling, don't judge this shit. Join the struggle bus. Like that's what it's for. We're there, it's a community for people to get on there and share their experiences and talk about it with people who are also struggling. So here's the thing. That's do you have anything you want to add to that for a segue? Okay. So I'm gonna segue from that into our struggle bus has 12 members beside me. Not very many. Um, and we went through periods of being incredibly active. There's also periods where nobody's contributing at all, which is fine. There was a period on there where I was like getting pissed off at the struggle bus passengers. I'm like, hey, what the fuck? Like, we're not struggle bus supposed to be talking about talking about talking, and I would like post like questions and like things leading on to nobody would contribute. So there was a little hurt there for a while, but then I realized that's not what the struggle bus is about. It's when people need to hop on and then they can join in the conversation when they need the support. It's not really about random conversation to me. It can be, but the main idea is hop on the bus when you need some support. So that was my I had to adjust my thinking on that. Um We're all too mentally healthy at the moment. We're all too fucking well off, damn it. But what I'm gonna get at is again, we have over now we have over 70,000 weekly listeners, 12 members of the struggle bus, plus your captain here. What is interesting about that to me is everyone is so comfortable, which is great. I'm not unhappy with how many listeners we have. That's wonderful. But nobody's wanting to join in on a conversation about it. I've really been thinking about that.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:There's no judgment here. There's no like fuck you guys for not joining in. It's not about that. No, I'm really thinking about why.
SPEAKER_02:That is the point, though. That is, we are creating a community more so than just sitting in here blabbing to each other on a weekly basis. The idea is to really truly open those doors, get the conversation started. Uh, what is it, smash the stigma, whatever the stigma? Whatever the taglines are, you know.
SPEAKER_01:That's a pretty common one these days.
SPEAKER_02:We don't really give a shit about taglines, really what we give a shit about. And it feeds into this authenticity piece is that yeah, having the struggle bus is great. It's, you know, we've done some dumb shit on there. We've talked about some really interesting and deep things.
SPEAKER_01:Uh but it's that level range of topics.
SPEAKER_02:But but this whole thing, this whole podcast thing is all well and good, and it's lovely that the people are listening. I'm so so excited this thing you've created is uh turning into the monster it needs to be. Uh but for it to be a useful. Monster, we need to have that engagement. Right. The whole conversation should lead back to all of us, you know, and that's on the struggle bus. It doesn't have to be you talking to us. It could be you talking to a fellow survivor, a you know, somebody who can you know put some real insight into a conversation because they've experienced firsthand what you've experienced. Right. So that's what we're hoping for.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's exactly some patience is and you know what I've actually adopted that that's I've adopted that is gonna be the approach. And honestly, I'm starting to really get pumped about doing this podcast again to kind of go back a little bit to you know, taking breaks. We've taken breaks from this podcast. I mean, we've recorded several in a row just so that when we get our fucked up lives going, we have some backlog of things to release. We've gone weeks without recording an episode. So what's it been three? Almost a month now. About a month until you and I've done one. I've done a couple interviews since. But like I said, I mean, we are even like, hey, right now we're not in the mindset to even cover things from any sort of And that's that's stepping away piece.
SPEAKER_02:If if if you are feeling stressors, if you are starting to automate yourself, you know, you when you automate is when you're starting to, you know, hit hit your fight or flight or spiral or you know, hit major symptoms. Um it's time. You you have to step away when it starts feeling too automatic. Right. You really truly do need to keep your awareness up. I I mean, regardless of what the diagnosis is, you you do have to have an awareness. And and you know, we've had that conversation about masking. Right. You you mask so that you fit in in public. And yeah, we'd love to have to have a world where no one has to mask. However, masking is actually a really good barometer of how you're doing. Because when you start feeling your mask cracking, it might be time to go home and check it for just a second, you know? Go get close to your supports system and really check in.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, absolutely. Yeah, that's that's a good thing. Because um I went through a period um where, yeah, I mean, it was like I couldn't contribute to this project because I take care of myself. You know, it was getting to the point where I had to focus, you know, okay, I'm gonna be blunt. There was a point where I was like, fuck this podcast, fuck the community, I gotta take care of myself. And that's just being honest. There is a point where it's just like I can't do this for everyone else. I gotta take care of this guy. And that's important. And there's a big thing of in order to take care of other people or help others, you have to start at home. So you do this all plays into that. And like I said, mental illness content creators have a bit of a different responsibility than others because of that, uh, or all of that in general. I mean, here's the big topic, folks. It's one of them. But for now, let's focus on so the the weight that uh or the responsibility okay, weight and responsibility that those of us who create mental illness content that are mentally ill have. So, what I like to think about that is again the genuine side of it. As we all know, mental illness, the whole point of this podcast and so much other content around this is to educate, to show the experience, to be vulnerable, the dark and the light sides of it, all of it. Again, full encompassing all that.
SPEAKER_02:And who better to lead those of us who don't experience through the experience?
SPEAKER_01:Right. And I'm this is anybody. Yes. So I like to be one of the one of the contributors. And I don't consider myself the best or the only. So, you know, for one thing, okay, I have to stay on this trade for a minute. Okay. The reason I don't lean much into TikTok content isn't too damn long-winded. So TikTok limits your videos to 15 minutes, and I'm just like, I don't know how to cover this deep freaking You can barely finish a sentence. I can barely finish a sentence in 15 minutes. Um, so it's just like that's just not gonna be my thing.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, after all, it's not just him talking, so never mind.
SPEAKER_01:I'm in a padded cell right now, bro. This is all this is my fantasy. You ever thought about that? Oh, this is the figment of fantasy. That's always been a that's always been a joke I've had with like people I know. If they're like they're talking to me and I want to be as smart as I'm like, Well, who are you talking to? Like, you're in a padded cell right now, bro. Like, I'm a figment of your imagination. You are horn dog for this sort of thing. This is your dream right here. This is I don't know, it's not that funny. Anyway. Mass gaslighting.
SPEAKER_02:I love it.
SPEAKER_01:Don't ever gaslight the mentally ill, Christ almighty, because I'm serious. We're already I'm I'm dead serious. When I'm feeling mentally top-notch, I can but so easily be fucking gaslit. Light my ass on fire that easy. Like, don't fucking gaslight people who are mentally ill. We're already struggling with paranoia and psychosis and delusional bullshit.
SPEAKER_02:Like from your authentic self, right? Let's bring it back to the authentic self. You were speaking on how when someone has a diagnosis and they want to create content and they want to bring it to the masses, you're looking at me like, I know what you're doing, bro. Yes, you do. Because this is my job. Um, so you were explaining that content creators who have a diagnosis, who really want to shed light on that diagnosis, bear a slightly heavier responsibility than just Joe Schmoke content creator. Why is that, sir? Please help me.
SPEAKER_01:I was really gonna get more on gaslighting. Oh no, I was kidding. I said everything. So there is a reason for that going on right now. There's probably I'm being gaslit right now, I think. Oh, you are okay. I didn't know what you're doing there. No? Who's gaslighting? God damn it. Jesus.
SPEAKER_00:Jesus Nick. Nick cries. Your man's planning turns me on.
SPEAKER_01:The reason we I think we bear a different responsibility and weight out there is because this is something that is misunderstood, is judged, is discriminated, all of the above. Already. Already. And the big one is inaccurate or manipulative, or the concept that we are doing this merely for attention, which plays into manipulation to me, because that's a big thing that's going around right now. Honestly, I'm gonna name drop Michelle Hammer again because she just did a little short on TikTok about people doing that, saying that, oh, mental illness content creators are just out there trying to get attention. Let me tell you, that's fucking bullshit. Because this isn't this isn't something I enjoy doing to an extent. I would love to just get on here and call people out on bullshit, talk about movies, and leave it kind of at that service level. It's not like digging into the depths of my fucking.
SPEAKER_02:And he would do that if I wasn't here.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean I'd be I serve a purpose. I wouldn't know if he was here or not. I don't know if he's here now. You guys see him? Of your imagining. You guys see him, right? What if I was just talking and like pausing and thinking that'd always be a funny episode. I was like talking, like, what do you think, Tony? Yeah. You see, I agree with that, and you're just not saying a damn thing. It's gotta be a thing we do. Yep, we should do it. Um, but because of that, she dropped this, you know, did this video that quit saying that we're out there doing it for attention because the fact is, this is not easy to do. It's not comfortable. Admittedly, I think I can throw my thing in here that I'm much more comfortable doing this than a lot. I get a catharsis out of ranting to you, people. I get a catharsis out of holding people accountable, including myself, and trying to change this climate that we're in when regarding the stigma. And you know, I we have a different responsibility because of that. Because if we misrepresent this or we taint it or we confirm what they already believe, confirm what you guys already believe that is not true, then we're doing the whole community a complete disservice. We're we're uh contributing to the stigma we're trying to smash. And what good is that doing none? So we do have a different responsibility than a lot of others. Content creators can influence a lot, and that's one of the beautiful things about TikTok. That's also one of the worst things.
SPEAKER_02:Um is that why they're called influencers? Sorry, I couldn't stop the voices in my head on that one.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome to the party. Yeah. So I think we have to be very careful. And that's why, you know, when I've done some videos I'm not crazy about, I do pull them. And it might be a while before I'm like, okay, that needs to come down. But you know what? I've also put some videos out there that has created some controversy. And it's not solely about creating controversy, even though controversy gets you views and all that. It is making people uncomfortable with the truth. Kind of like the shadow self idea. Um, there is a lot of discomfort in the honesty. Um, being truthful is hard, period. Um, it's so much easier to lie your way around things, go around and around it. But I like to go through. So not always successful, but I'm pretty good at it. But I do think there's a power in that, too, to be able to just go at something, whether it's this content, whether it's things in life, period. So that's kind of the authenticity piece of things.
SPEAKER_02:Anything you want to add to that before we No, I mean, I think for the most part you outlined it pretty well. And it's not trying to come down on creators with the. We're not here to come down on you. No. We're here to SNL.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I thought. Never mind. Thought we were soaking corks. Um That's another SNL, by the way. Oh, that is, yeah, I know. Yeah, okay. I like mine better. Do you? You don't like soak? That was the Soaking Corks?
SPEAKER_01:That was pretty good. I was doing the Matt Foley. Huh? That was the Matt Foley one.
SPEAKER_02:Did Matt Foley soak corks? No.
SPEAKER_01:Didn't I even just say it with it? Soak corks? What? Soak? I know it's fucking great.
SPEAKER_02:But have have you ever planned a weekend of soaking corks?
SPEAKER_01:We're not gonna do this. Watch the damn SNL skin. Christ almighty. They do it better, but it's always better.
SPEAKER_02:No, um, with the responsibility thing, it's really more about hey, as a community, let's let's agree that we really don't want to set ourselves or anyone else back because we're not truly seeing that responsibility when when we lose sight of things. And I can only speculate on what happens to people when that sort of thing happens online. Ms. Hammer uh posts when she's in those situations. It's it's a great thing to educate with here's what it looks like, here's the experience, here is and if I'll take it all back, if if that's what this other creator is doing, and she's gonna go, ah, gotcha bitches, on the other side of it and say, Look, I was showing you what it looks like. Very well, maybe she's very intelligent, yeah, very on top of what she's doing.
SPEAKER_01:But I And you know, we'll hold ourselves accountable for being fucking wrong and stupid and ignorant.
SPEAKER_02:I'll be the first one to step up and say, haha, you got me. But um, if anything, brilliant creator, nonetheless. But that responsibility of making sure it's clear to those who don't have that diagnosis, who who haven't experienced that, but to not characterize what it looks like because there are people, I mean, I know my personal experience with BPD, and I'm watching so much of the same thing I experienced. And not to, you know, I'm not trying to sit here and say, oh, I'm so traumatized, but it genuinely brought up memories for me. Seeing, I mean, yeah, you know, you saw me. I was there. It took a year to even bounce back to be human.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it did. And it's still many years later, still minutes of it.
SPEAKER_02:It it is it is an issue. But just anyone who has diagnosis and you want to create and you want to get that message out there, we are all about supporting you. Absolutely. You know what? We should have a bunch of content creators. We should reach out and say, Hey, the struggle bus is yours. The struggle bus is yours.
SPEAKER_01:Like drop it in yours. I worked share the bus. Yeah, let's all captains. We'll start the bus routes. Um but you were so good at the freaking metaphors with the struggle bus, like the passengers and the bus stops. Metaphors.
SPEAKER_02:But that responsibility piece, it's less about, you know, uh, we're washing you, but more about, hey, watch yourself. Yeah. Make sure that you don't step on your own Your own message. Yeah. I like that better than the word I had in mind. What were you thinking? Well, it's a it's a phrase. Well, what is it? It's just you know, don't step on your dick.
SPEAKER_01:Never heard that one. Really?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_01:Oh. Is your dick big enough to step on it? Yours isn't? No. Not erect, not soft, none of it. Maybe.
SPEAKER_02:Um anyway. Call that indie indie. You were saying go get in your pocket. There's a reason it's Indie pocket. Indie pocket. Um, yeah. God, now I is D is in Dee genuinely sound. D is in the pocket. No. Literally now my fucking online tag nine tagline means penis sheath. I mean, I've been on that. I've been saying that.
SPEAKER_01:Not that. Oh, not to my face. No, not that poet. Fucker, we can't be friends now. Watch my content. I've been doing videos. Watch my content. I've been blocking your blocking you from those videos. Hey, you heard this in the dick pic gang? This in the dick pic.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway. So, yes, the responsibility piece is really, you know, just like don't get in your own way. Do the best you can. If you're gonna document it, cool. Document it, set it to the side, and wait for yourself to get through the flare up. That's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:So you can analyze. The one thing I want to add to the authenticity piece and the content you're creating and things like that is I saw this um, I don't know if this is on Reddit or fake. I don't know where the hell I saw this. Maybe I'm imagining it because I think it's pretty genius, and I came up with it. You know what? Okay, you know what? That's a segue that I want. I didn't mean to go into this, but this is what we do. You notice how people all the time say, like, if they have a point they want to make. It's like, well, a lot of people say, no, you're the only one saying that. You have to validate your opinion by saying a lot of people say that. Do you ever do that?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think you just said that I did with the whole don't step on your dick thing, but I know it's a phrase, but we're gonna make it a phrase if it's not true. Well, maybe.
SPEAKER_01:But what I was getting at is like, I'm guilty of that too. And the other thing I've been known to do is like say, if I if I think my point won't be valid to somebody or it won't mean something coming from me, I'll say, oh, this person said that.
SPEAKER_02:But everybody thinks everybody says that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But it's even more than that. It's like, I heard uh I've heard a lot of people say that lately. It's like, why do we have to do that?
SPEAKER_02:Don't feel like your argument's strong enough or don't have enough.
SPEAKER_01:Or your person as a self, yeah. It's like I've been guilty of that. I don't do that near as much as I used to, but I used to that all the time. I mean, certain people I talk to who I very much honor and remire, admire and respect, it's like, ah, they don't they don't respect me in the same way. So I gotta say, even though it's fully my opinion, and maybe even something I legitimately observed, but they don't consider me an expert or intelligent or whatever in that in that topic. It's like, well, this person said that, and then they're like, oh, well, if he said it or she said it, then it must be right, you know. Authenticity still plays into that. A bit off of a segue. Okay. No, that's something I really struggle with. I'm tired of people doing that. Okay. It's like, hey, this is what I believe. I don't care if I'm the only one on the fucking face of the universe that says it. I mean your opinions are valid. Period.
SPEAKER_02:Your opinion can be wrong as all hell, but still valid. That part's true. Opinions are not fact. No, they're like assholes. Everybody's got one. And they stink. And they may stink. Have you not heard of that part? No. You've never heard that's the part of it. You're making that up.
SPEAKER_01:No, somebody told me that. Well, somebody did actually. I mean, I didn't create the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I wish I agreed with that.
SPEAKER_02:We just finished that topic. You can't go, you can't say that.
SPEAKER_01:Never again. You can't call it up and say, oh, well, so and so said. I'm actually quite sure I didn't come up with that. I wish I'd own it if I came up with that. That's the funny thing. Anyway, I don't even remember how I was gonna. Oh. I don't know. Oh, yeah, okay. So since I can't chase you down, I don't know what to do. Even I can't. My voices are 10 feet ahead of me.
SPEAKER_02:So they gotta be in stereo then, because they gotta be 10 behind me.
SPEAKER_01:They totally are. Really? Surround sound, bro. Noise. Noise. Very nice. It's like a bow stereo system in my fucking head. Yeah! Woo! Oh, I did scream. You're right. We should have tested. Oh no, we're good. We already did it. These are compression mics. They're good. Remember, we have to be able to do that. They're beautiful. Thank you. To the benefactor who said Do not oh no, no, we're gonna do the Elon thing, right? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Our heart goes out.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know why I did that. Crass. That's what we do, apparently. Number 62.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. I just got uh got an email today to the company that manages our podcast with us. And they literally told us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, if you search Twisted Humor and Musical Genius, we're in the 60s. So when people search that, we're in the top 60 or in the 60s of search results in that. You know what I didn't tell you?
SPEAKER_02:What?
SPEAKER_01:There's only 70 people that are included in the 70s. We're actually non-existent in the Iowa. Are we still number one in Finland? That's all I care about. I never heard we were knocked down to number two. It's a heavy market. I didn't hear that uh you know their death metal contests were killing off all of our listeners. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Listeners, mass suicide now. Well, we're we love you, Finland. Get back to us.
SPEAKER_00:Finland.
SPEAKER_02:Uh oh.
SPEAKER_01:I was really on to something there. Oh backtracking tangent. Backtrack. Backtrack? Backtrack my tangent because it was going the tangent was going somewhere.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it was the last thing you were really truly talking about was how people aren't um secure enough in their own statements that they feel like they have to back it up by saying so. That was part of the tangent. No.
SPEAKER_01:But that didn't lead me back to where I was. Fair enough, as long as I got you there. But so I love getting there. It's important that I get there. It is. It's not it's not as fulfilling if you don't get there.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, they do say it is about the journey, but every now and then I want to finish.
SPEAKER_01:I'd love to get to the destination. Every now and then. I mean, at least every now and then. Yep. We're talking about life. Like the song The Gambler by Kenny Rogers is not about life. It's literally about gambling. Okay. So that didn't make any sense. Ruined that song for everyone. Did you know that was about gambling and not life? So I want to get back to whatever article I'm imagining that I read.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But it was a thing. Somebody else said this. God damn it. See, this is inauthentic. This is inauthenticity. In this thing, they were talking about how this person had committed suicide. So now we're getting serial. Okay. Serial. Like man bear pig. Yep. Being serial, no one take me serial. No. So someone had killed themselves, and this person was really insightful statement I hadn't really thought of is, you know, this person's self-harmed. Now we touched on this, but I'm going to take it. Yeah, we've touched on it.
unknown:God damn it.
SPEAKER_01:And we're going to take it further. So this person, you know, said that this person killed themselves, but it was it wasn't only self-harm, it was harming everyone around them. So we've talked about that.
SPEAKER_02:And it kind of is how suicide impacts more than just the deceased. Yes. Okay. But here's the thing. I follow.
SPEAKER_01:I was good. Good. I know that's difficult for me. No, you're actually the one who's on top of following me before I get there. Short bus, not struggle bus for me. Short bus. Let's get to the destination, Nick. Too many stops. Oh my gosh, that's a good one. Too many stops on the struggle bus. Let's fucking get there. We got so many t-shirt ideas. Okay. If we can figure out how to do some merch. So she was saying, you know, self-harm actually is harming everyone else. So I kind of thought about that, really pondered that for a bit, like five minutes tops. And now I'm just throwing it out there for y'all. Um, no, I really pondered that and I'm thinking, I think about everything that is self-harming harms others, and vice versa. But what I'm thinking like is okay, so you're you're harming yourself. Let's not even take it as far as suicide. You're harming yourself. Like when I used to beat myself in the head with baseball bats when I was coping. A long time ago. Um swinging the miss. Yes. I have several concussions. I do. It's it's a fact.
SPEAKER_00:I believe it.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, I used to do that, and of course, uh, my family didn't even know I was doing that at the time. What does that end up doing? You know, and it's ends up spiraling, and it's all this craziness. Who that ended up hurting? Not only myself, but literally my family who had sacrificed so much to make sure I was secure and safe and all that. Okay. So I think that is a case where in that moment I felt like, well, I'm only hurting myself. It's not about everyone else, it's about, no, I'm I'm hurting myself. But it was in that mindset, it was about taking the pain away, because the whole point of not supporting this, but the whole idea of when you when you harm yourself is to distract yourself from the mental pain and focus on physical pain, which is often way easier to deal with than mental pain. Which is my perspective. You got somewhere you want to take this?
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm trying, I'm wondering if you're going where I'm at. Probably not. Well, that is how our brains work.
SPEAKER_01:So with that, um, by the way, I I do want to offer this really quick. I did a video on this a long time.
SPEAKER_02:So many stops. So many stops.
SPEAKER_01:This is a legit stop. This is a this is a stop at the at the at the at the doctor. There's a reason to call this. This is a doctor's stop.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So keep your thought though. Like you gotta write it down or something. One thing I do I really like to share is healthy ways of distracting yourself physically. I can see you on the camera. I'm talking to the people and you're looking at me.
SPEAKER_02:I'm trying not to say the thoughts. No, but that's what we do. No, you said write it. And like keep your thoughts on the start writing it on your code. Okay. That's gross. Moving. On.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so I was gonna get into actual there are healthy ways of distracting yourself physically. Have we found any yet? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, good.
SPEAKER_01:I would say I'd know them. Actually, shit. Nope, no more tangents. Fuck that. We're gonna stay on this. I had another one. Fuck that. Okay. Sorry. Boy, I've got so much I wanna say. So much I want to say to these people in one episode.
SPEAKER_02:Yelling at me and the voices. That's a new low.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Hit a new low, something ducks in a row. Um, but there are healthy ways of distracting yourself through physical discomfort that I've even discovered. Cold showers is a good one. Cool. Not hot showers, because that can actually burn you. Cold showers is actually a one. And if you're if you're having troubles with a four-hour long erection, that's also a good remedy. Um, hop in a cold shower. Two birds with one stone. Two. Or you could just have Tony interrupt you while you're jacking it to art the clown. That works too. I mean, I lost my erection immediately.
SPEAKER_02:I'm good for that. You know how many times I've heard that in my life. Just kidding. I'm so sorry. Masturbating in a mirror once, and I lost my own erection.
SPEAKER_01:That's why I avoid mirrors. Yeah. Automatic turnoff or something.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So it can be a healthy way of causing yourself physical discomfort. Of course, you know the other big one is exercise. I mean, if you you do that, I know that's been a big one for you. You lift weights till you're fucking burning. You run till you're burning. The I'm telling you, when I used to run back in the day, uh, that gets so damn uncomfortable, you're not thinking about a lot of your mental struggles. Plus, you get the endorphins released from exercising and things like that. Saves you so much money on therapy. Yeah, don't even go to therapy. Just go run a mile.
SPEAKER_02:Not what we're saying.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Okay, obviously it's not what we're saying. I'm clearly not running 10 miles a day. I'm going to therapy weekly. Fuck running. There are people who run and there are people who sit in a therapist's office. It's black and white like that. Absolutely. One or the other. One or the other. You either run or you sit on your ass and talk to people. There should be running therapy. That is a thing, isn't it? Like running and creep.
SPEAKER_02:Recreational therapy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway.
SPEAKER_02:You were one.
SPEAKER_01:Those are a couple of healthy ways of causing yourself physical pain.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:That do not actually hurt you.
SPEAKER_02:Where are you gonna take this? I was actually just gonna say it might be a really healthy thing for some people to chew on this particular nugget. I like some nuggies. Yeah, right. Dippin' sauce. It's all comes down to dipping sauce. Um so you were saying something about hitting yourself with a bat, right? Yeah. Okay. So you said that that actually helped you manage the pain. It alleviated the pain, sent it away. The mental pain. Right. But that was it away is the strong way. But that was the bigger of the two.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, oh yeah. So the mental pain was the bigger. Always has been for me.
SPEAKER_01:For me.
SPEAKER_02:Where did it go?
SPEAKER_01:Nowhere. Didn't it? Okay, I'm not falling, but I'm excited to see where you're going. Rock hard right now. You your skull or something else? Well, not my skull, because it's filled with fractures and concussions.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So no. You're knocking that pain out of your head and it's landing square on your family. So much I guess I think I think I think it could be, you know, the whole thing about energy never dissipates. Right. It only transfers and changes form, right? Same thing with pain, I think.
SPEAKER_00:God, thank you for bringing it back.
SPEAKER_01:I forgot where the hell I was going. I'm all over the place today. So you said the pain that I feel like I'm causing only myself is transferring elsewhere. That's actually where I was going with that. So you got these people who were in so much pain, mass shootings and stuff. That person is in so much pain that they're alleviating it by taking it out on the world. Again, your pain, if you don't manage it and seek help from others, you're going to hurt yourself and by proxy those around you. Whether you're simply cutting yourself, whether it's banging yourself in the head with baseball bats, whether it's planning in your basement how to go pull off a fucking whatever. Those are not helpful situations to anybody, including yourself. When you're harming yourself mentally, physically, you're ultimately gonna harm those around you. Is that insightful? That's good. That's a wrap, everybody. Okay, let's really get down to what you've all been. You know what's funny is nobody's been listening to a damn thing of any of that. Probably not. It's like, alright, get to the that part. Okay. That part. Okay, so this all don't let me talk the whole damn time. It's gonna come out wrong. Oliver.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Who's Oliver? Is that our new post?
SPEAKER_01:We know Carl's doing things with Oliver. Little Oliver.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, so it is kid fucking.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Alright. That's why we had to let Carl go. Segway. That was a horrible segue. I'm not proud of that. Horrible. Okay. I think we should cut it in post.
SPEAKER_01:Oliver! Carl, get Oliver's dick out of your mouth. Oh, Jesus Christ. Or vice versa, actually. It'd be the other way. Or maybe they like to switch.
SPEAKER_02:Nick Christ. Nope. Doesn't work. Swallow.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't even mean that. Damn it. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:I wasn't even trying that. Jeez. It's like it's now it's there. Subconsciously, I can't. What is it, baby? Spits of swallows. Um Spitters are quick. We really want to handle this very Jesus Christ. Okay. We're putting it off. Yeah, we are. And even I am now that it's getting to crunch time. Okay.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So we want to first preface this with saying we're not encouraging anyone to go out there and fuck children. Don't even touch them. Okay? Don't do it at all. So here's a concept that I came up with, and Tony's helped me honing it a lot to prepare for you fine people. I fleshed it out. So I kind of came up with this idea of the three E's. Which one's right? Oh, that one. Right. E. East Side, West Side, GW side. So that's a Frank Alley note joke. Okay. So the three E's. We have expression, exploration, and those two are together. And then you have the separate third E, which you don't want to ever get to, which is exploitation. Okay. Follow me here. If you've made it to that E, turn around and go back. If you made it to the third E, you've gone too far. You never, ever, ever hit that third E. The third E in this example is fucking children. Okay? And it's a very, very bold example. And it's meant to be because it's meant to make you really think. And yeah, this is gonna be really uncomfortable. Honestly. It's gonna be a mental curb store. It's a mental, yes, it is. American History X. We are gonna curb stores. We're gonna bite the fucking curb. Yep. Here you go. Okay. And so here's the thing. We all know pedophilia is a big thing out there. And I don't really want to genderize this, but a lot of people have that desire. That is part of the shadow self. There is a good thing to simply acknowledge that. Okay. Like we said in the episode before, acknowledge that side of yourself. Denying it's not healthy, exploiting it, that third E is not, that is the end all be all, never get to. But then you have the expression and exploration side. So I'm not also not saying you get out there on social media or go to the fucking top of a building or a rally and say you want to fuck kids. You don't have to throw out there on a megaphone what your shadow self is. Not what this is about. This is self-acknowledgement. Okay? Shadow self is more about self-integration. Integration, not about getting the message out. You don't have to do that. It can totally stay silent within you. And you know what? That's fine. That is really what you need to do with it. But where our our kind of idea comes from healthy ways of exploring the deepest sides of your shadow.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, and you're gonna go to the Mariana Trench of uh shadows and discuss how you feel like someone could use your three E's concept with pedophilia.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Now, now that we've outlined that, this is the most controversial yet common one I could think of. That's why I brought it up, and this is gonna make a bunch of you uncomfortable. I might y'all might have y'all might have shut it off at this point. But I hope you guys stuck around for what we're trying to say. There's a valuable statement. So I think it's a pretty powerful one. So with that desire, it is out there, people have it. And that's something worth just accepting in yourself. The other side of acceptance with the shadow self, the idea that you don't have to be okay with someone else's things that they're accepting in their shadow. You don't have to be okay with that. If you obviously, there's a fundamental problem with pedophilia. And honestly, people who probably have that desire know there's something wrong about it. But it's a human side that people do have that. But you don't have to be okay with other people's shadow self. You don't have to be friends with those people, but you can just accept that they're human on that level and that every human has that shadow side. There's other things that people have in their shadows that you're gonna be like, you don't have to know that they do. But it's like, oh, you know what? I feel that because I have that too. You don't necessarily have to know that, but just be aware that we all have fucked up desires in the shadows. Just accept that we all have something in there that's going to make everyone else uncomfortable. And it might be a fundamental thing that someone else couldn't accept or understand or be okay with. It all comes down to acceptance of being human. The whole idea of how you would safely explore pedophilia, and this is hypothetical, this is uncomfortable. I don't mind saying that. So this is awkward for me, too.
SPEAKER_02:This is a very well, and and uh an exploration of your shadow self should be uncomfortable within yourself. Oh, absolutely as well, because you're not being honest with yourself if it's not right. Here's my thoughts. So this is simply an example, and he picked the most outrageous, controversial, disgusting example so that it would be to get your attention, and it'd be fucking clear because it's honestly I think it's an easy one to see the clarity of it.
SPEAKER_01:So we had a friend who's not getting a lot sexually in their life, and they are really into petite women. So there's a big thing out there with torsos, pocket pussy torsos, love dolls, love dolls, okay. Six dollars. So, you know, and there was no pedophilia in mind here. I'm gonna absolutely say that. This person wasn't out there looking for what they found.
SPEAKER_02:These are two separate situations, these are completely two separate things, but when connecting these two ideas, it fit his model.
SPEAKER_01:So stay with him. So he went out looking, he searched uh flat-chested sex dolls and brought him to some sites, and he shared these sites with me because it's very uncomfortable. These sites that have flat-chested sex dolls, they're not adult females with flat chests, they are children, they're absolutely children. You've also looked at it because I shared it with you. Very uncomfortable. These sex dolls are posed in like children positions, they're even like the size of them is like three or four feet. If you look at like life-size sex dolls, they're life size. Okay, these are marketed as life size. Okay, so clearly, like, we know what this company is doing. When he found that, was even desperate to like, okay, let's find like an adult version of this. What'd he find one? If that, and that was questionable. Yeah. I mean, we talked about this forever, like the three of us were shocked by this. So it's just like, fuck. Okay, so that spurred this idea. Now, this is where I think the controversy hopefully gets settled a little bit. I hope.
SPEAKER_02:I hope so too.
SPEAKER_01:Again, we are not encouraging people to go out there and actually fuck kids. This is actually to help hopefully satisfy that fucked up shadow side need.
SPEAKER_02:This is an example of how you might go about getting that piece of yourself met if you feel like it is something you cannot keep inside.
SPEAKER_01:So there's something too, there's a shadow side of ourselves that we can acknowledge is there and be like, okay, I acknowledge that that thought or that feeling or that desire is there. There's a difference when that thought or feeling or desire is so strong you have to explore it. Where it becomes that's where it becomes a compulsion.
SPEAKER_02:You're right.
SPEAKER_01:So where it becomes something, okay, I have to do this or it's gonna turn into exploitation. So that's what we're getting at with this. So if you struggle with pedophilia, my idea is get yourself one of these sex dolls that looks like a child. Okay? I know this is gonna be weird here, but here's my thought. If you can fuck a sex doll that looks like a child, you're not out there fucking a real child. It expresses it expresses and simulates, it allows you to explore. Safely.
SPEAKER_02:And you never get to exploit.
SPEAKER_01:Ever. That's with any of these compulsive needs that are in that shadow. Okay. It's just like you hear of Grand Theft Auto is not a bad example. It's probably not quite as controversial, but things like that. But that was the whole point. So Right. That's the thing, is it can apply to a lot of things. There is catharsis and experiencing, and VR is becoming a big thing. I mean, oh, there's sex VR now too. So there are fantasies. What? What? Oh, yeah. I didn't know about that. You didn't know about that. No. But that's the thing. There are ways of exploring fantasies. And some of these sexual VRs get very kinky and very dark. Here's the thing: there are safe ways of exploring these compulsive thoughts and I and desires. There are.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So do that. Rather than let the judgment of not being able to accept it within yourself and the judgment of safely exploring it fuck everyone's judgment on that. You feel how you feel you have your need. Obviously, if you put out there to anybody that, hey, I want to fuck kids, nobody's going to be like, oh, that's alright. We're good with that. As long as you fuck a sex doll. No, it's not about that. You know what you feel. You know what the compulsive need is. That's a safe outlet. So I know that's a really rough topic. And that's why I picked that one. Um, and I cleared this by him and even my wife to kind of get a real clarity on how to approach this. It's meant to be uncomfortable. It's meant to be uncomfortable, but the shadow self is uncomfortable. Right. And this is obviously pedophilia's out there. It's a big thing that's out there, and it's not going anywhere. So if we can safely get the need met on an inanimate object that is representing that, that's so much better than going out there and actually doing it. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:So sorry to not have anything more cerebral than that to say on it, but yeah. I want to say it was a couple days ago and it was on TikTok. Some I think she's a teacher. Why is it always the teacher? But she was having relations with some kid and got caught, I guess. But it's it's the idea that it's not a gender thing. It it is not a gender issue. So shadow self is everyone. Uh whether you see binary gender or whether you see a spectrum. Leave gender out of it. It's human. Little, yes. It's human. Um it it could be something as small as you know, you and and I'll tie it to eroticism because that's the thing most people feel shame.
SPEAKER_01:Some people um I was hoping you were gonna take it there because we talked about that. What? Bringing it to eroticism.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. Well, I mean, some people can actually get turned on being violent. Yeah. Great. Go to a rec room, break TV sets, put holes in walls, get all of that energy out, and then go date your girlfriend or whatever. You know what I mean? Like find ways to bleed that pressure if indeed your shadow self leads you to feel like you have to in some way express the um, well, that's the first E, right? Express. Express. If you've got to express it, if it needs to come out, find a safe way to explore it so that you never get to exploit. Because Shadow Self should never be about exploiting anyone. Shadow Self isn't about that. It is about finding balance in yourself and grace for yourself. Shadow self is all about balance.
SPEAKER_01:It it really absolutely is. I mean, Carl Jung, it's Carl Jung's theory.
SPEAKER_02:I think the original idea itself was really just to do the work internally. Obviously, some people don't have that kind of self-control. So that's exactly what we're getting at. And and really trying to address that, because if we're talking uh in the mental health community, there are plenty of I mean, honestly, uh the You and I've seen it. The behavior support plans I used to do, the box I would check most often, probably right behind suicide, was impulsivity. And and having that inability to control things that are probably not socially acceptable, might be harming you, might be harming someone else. Yeah. That impulsive peace is, I think, unfortunately, gone beyond even just mental illness. No, it is with the advent of Facebook fuck you, because I never have to face you face to face. So now everybody feels empowered. Um which there's no empowerment to that. No, it's just screaming into the Well, it's that's gonna be my new handle.
SPEAKER_01:It's the screaming into the void. Yeah, it's not there's no power to that. It's actually opposite because you're hiding behind a screen. Yeah. All right, so but anyway, I I I know that's a that's a rough take. And I I hope this goes as well as I would like it to. Um, this is by far the most controversial thing we've ever tackled.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I would pedophilia and I mean crying out loud. I swear to God, if you do the metrics on our show, and next week we get we come up number one as the podcast that said fucking children the most, I am gonna be distraught.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we probably get a lot of listens. But who are the people who are listening? It's not the same thing. Who are the people who are searching? It's not the audience. I actually think about that. I know. No, no, no. If they if we're getting that audience, it's like we can turn it. We can be like, hey. Turn them from the dark side to a different dark side. A different, a safe dark side.
SPEAKER_02:There's a slightly more rubbery silicone dark side for you.
SPEAKER_01:But that's the that is the thing, is that there are compulsions that are that people mentally ill or not, but it is very common in mental illness. I've seen it too. I've worked in mental mental health facilities. I've seen it a lot. And admittedly, sexual compulsions, not necessarily just pedophilia. Sexual compulsions are a pretty common thing, and the mentally ill in that state that don't aren't armed with the medication, with the experience, with the support, don't know how. They don't know how to channel that other than to exploit it. Right. But this doesn't just apply to the mentally ill. It's just most people who aren't mentally ill can control that compulsion. Um not all thing, yeah, fair enough, but not all things that are in the shadow side of things have to not be explored either. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm following you. You're a good American for going into this, thank you. I salute your efforts, sir. Probably gonna get shot.
SPEAKER_00:Like, what's this? What's this schizoff crazy socko ass out here talking about fucking children?
SPEAKER_02:Alright, where are you going? No. Let's get away from the fucking children for a while.
SPEAKER_01:So, like I said, there are things that are that are considered taboo or considered not great. God, I hate to always go back to the sexual thing, but it's such a common one.
SPEAKER_02:And honestly, we all have most people are gonna carry some sort of taboo within them that they're uncomfortable with about themselves.
SPEAKER_01:And sexuality is something that we all experience. Even asexuals have a sexuality. Sexuality is something as humans, again, whether we all have that core need to have that identity, whatever that is. Homosexuality, transsexuality, we all, asexuality, any of it. It is important to have that piece of identity kind of rock solid, excuse the pun, in who you are. That is part of accepting your human self. And and without that being identified, there's a lot of uncertainty and anxiety. Uh that's such a core thing just to be human to know about yourself. So leading from that, obviously, there's there's sexual desires a lot of people have that seem too much, or I don't know, you're the sex guy. Um you're the sex fella. But there are there are fantasies and desires that both men and women have that people might look from the outside and be like, that's fucked up, that's whatever. Um there are communities for that sort of thing. There are arrangements for that sort of thing. Field and Tinder. I got friends who have done those. Those things exist. Okay. So that's one thing that there's a lot, actually, a lot of like-minded people for the boomers, those are online dating sites for sex. I mean, Tinder's not just that. But it it often is. But like with that, that is something that a lot of us do have fantasies and desires that we're not exactly comfortable throwing out there either. But there are absolutely, and that's becoming a much more acceptable thing to explore the more the more time passes and the more these communities develop. I mean, there's Facebook pages on this stuff. So it is a thing, and that is safe to explore as long as consent and boundaries and safe words and all that stuff. But those are things I'm so proud of you.
SPEAKER_02:For what? Because you knew it all. Good job. You're welcome.
SPEAKER_01:I'm welcome. Um, but seriously, like those are things that a lot of people don't feel comfortable sharing. You don't have to. Find your community for that. And that's, I guess, what I'm getting at is there are communities for a lot of the no, not pedophilia. I hope there's not a pedophilia community. I'm serious though. I kind of Nambla. What's the South Park thing? National Association for Man Boy Relationship. Wait. National Association. I don't care. No, it was funny. No, I don't care. Nambla. National Association of Marlon Brando lookalikes was what the company was supposed to be. I thought it was. And then there was a Nambla Boy Love Association. That's it. National Association for Man Boy, yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Or something stupid like that.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway. Yeah. Hilarious. Anyway. Okay, what's our fucking motto?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:It's if you don't laugh. Well, no, wait, that's that's what everybody says. What's my version of that? Laughter is the best medication, so take your fucking pills. Right, gotcha. We can make fun of this stuff. Yes. We have to. Yes. Doesn't and one thing, okay. Uh-huh. Here's a tangent, but a short one. Okay. This what's funny is you're not going to believe where this came from, but it sparked another genius idea from yours, truly. It's kind of related to this. Maybe not. I play a game called Marvel Rifles. No, no, no, no, no. You're not going to believe where this came from. Okay. Because it's actually really insightful. Is if you play as Tony Stark, Iron Man, one of the lines he says a lot is he says, if I'm not joking about it, you know I'm not taking it seriously. Okay. What do you not get the there's profoundness in that?
SPEAKER_02:Profoundness, yes. You were talking about it spurred something genius.
SPEAKER_01:That was what it spurred. Is I think that's a pretty I think that's actually something you could take deeper than just that surface level. Yes. It's like we process through humor a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I like to repeat on this show obsessively the idea that it is okay to laugh at tragedy, there's processing through humor, there's healing through humor. I'm gonna go on this fucking train again because I'm still tired of seeing this out in this world. Is if you like a certain humor, and let's let's even take it beyond humor. If you like a certain style of content, we can go into super pornography. I don't give a shit. Whatever you're into, like Saul movies, that's not for everybody. Uh freaking slipknot, that's not for everybody. Mortal Kombat, that's Grand Theft Auto, you know, those are all extremes that some people might look at and judge those people and be like, oh, those, you know, whatever, judge those products or ideas or whatever. That goes with certain comedians, Louis C.K., Dave Chappelle, all these people out there who feel uncomfortable with that, you know, are judging all these people or trying to cancel them or ban them or whatever the fuck they're trying to do. Here's the thing both sides of this, by the way, those of us who are into that more extreme stuff, accept that those people aren't and don't necessarily judge them for not wanting to explore those things and they're not comfortable with it. Okay, that's fine too. However, and I'm calling the other side out, unfortunately, because that's the community I'm not crazy about, and that is the community I think that is causing a lot of the struggle. And the problem is because if you try to cancel things or ban things that aren't really hurting anybody, that are therapeutic, that helps certain people explore those extremes, and I'm talking more media and things like that. You are just gonna anger those people even more. You're not solving anything, you are actually contributing to the problem, in my opinion. But so, like just or you are the problem. Or you are the problem. Thank you. That was even more bold. Thank you. Not that we haven't gone bold enough on this.
SPEAKER_02:No, but you're you're literally talking about capacity. Right. And Raquel, Rachel, whatever your name. I don't know how to pronounce. Maybe it's I think it's Rachel. Rachel. What the fuck are you talking about? Rachel Capacity Expert. She's on TikTok. Oh, her. Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah. No, she's on to something. And I hope therapy makes a hard 180 and heads back the other direction. But you want to get into that? Based on well, no, not deeply, but let's soften that.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, we went from No.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know where we went. Let's solve that. It's really more a you problem. You're offended by something, you're upset with it. It's something inside of you, yet you have to externalize it. And unfortunately, when you externalize it, you've explored it thoroughly, you end up exploiting those other people who enjoy that kind of humor there. Because it is therapeutic, it's cathartic, it helps them get it out. But no, you're the weeness without any kind of capacity. You you walk around thinking everything needs to be bubble wrapped for you. Well, why don't you just bubble wrap yourself in some therapy? Oh, and actually figured out you probably need to build you up before you even bother with any of the problems in the world. Um I think this last election, which who knows whether it worked out or not, not to get political. No, it's not really about the pull out, but the idea that there was there was there was a snapback. There there needed to be something riding the ship because we were going too far in the wrong directions. And I think that's been the case, honestly, for a while. For several decades now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And there are some corrections that are starting to happen. Well, yeah. And I think it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:What's crazy is the the the acceptance or like the Yeah. The more exploration we did into different kinds of humor and different types of, you know, there's a lot of the elderly, even in my family, I don't mind saying, they're like, oh, well, when I was a kid, we never talked back to our parents and we were home by blah, and yeah. It's like there's something to that, but that's also so restrictive on growth, on becoming your own person. Now, again, where I'm getting at with that, we've gone too far the other way.
SPEAKER_02:A little bit.
SPEAKER_01:Whether it's letting your children do anything, and this is period, letting your children do anything, or it's like bubble wrap them from everything. They're everything's extremes these days, for one thing. Even the flavor-blasted goldfish.
SPEAKER_02:Those are really good. But they're extreme.
SPEAKER_01:Are they really that much different than just regular channels? I don't know. We get those for Max, and they're they're considerably better. They could be cheesier. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So, again. We're exhausted by this conversation. This is an exhausting one. We're not gonna do another episode for six years. We're probably not gonna be able to because they're gonna come arrest us. But probably. But here's the thing with like the whole me, I guess. He did it. He was me.
SPEAKER_00:Uh 2319.
SPEAKER_01:No, monsters when. You remember that? Monsters Inc. when.
SPEAKER_02:No. I d I don't remember every movie line. I'm really bad at that. You're the best at it.
SPEAKER_01:So you guys will remember it.
SPEAKER_02:Uh get you in touch with Nate, my bass player. He's got them all. Idetic memory. That's what he told me the other night. Just the movies.
SPEAKER_01:I don't just at movies, that's it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know anything else.
SPEAKER_02:He knows them all.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but the side that is being more safe, there's also something to just not liking certain humor. There are some things you just as a person objectively don't find funny. And there might be certain things that go dark with certain subjects, you're like, okay, that's funny. And there might be certain things that go dark, you're like, I don't find that funny. Or just nothing you like to go dark. One thing I I struggle with with okay, here we go on this train. Christianity. But it's not about that. That's the one thing you can't make fun of. You know, several Christians in my life, that's the one thing you don't make fun of. What are you doing? You're contributing to people being angry that that's something that can't be touched. If you're if shut up. Priests touching pedophilia. Bringing it back around. Bringing it back to the exploitation. But what I'm saying with that is that if you're trying to make things so safe that it can't be joked about, or even deeper, just talked about, you're gonna piss people the fuck off to the point where no, we're gonna go the other way. It's like exploit your desires, exploit your feelings, take it out on others, your frustration that you're not able to express it or enjoy certain outlets that are safe to do that with. You're absolutely fucking up the whole thing. So again, if you're those people who are not comfortable with certain things, avoid it. It's not hurting you, it's not hurting others. Fucking stay away from it.
SPEAKER_02:Also, go do some shadow work.
SPEAKER_01:Go do some shadow work. Thank you. Because I was just about to get on that. It's like, just like you said, people who are really insecure about that, and honestly, I think religion's one of them too. Faith is a difficult thing. Even the most Christian people in my life have struggled at times with like, gosh, do I really feel like I can go into this? Again, it's like explore every aspect, and goddamn, it's uncomfortable. It's therapy is not easy, and I'm gonna get on this real quick. Therapy is not meant to be a friend talking to you, it's not meant to be it is work. It's work. You know, digging into yourself and figuring out what is wrong with you on a on a core level is absolute work. That's the fucking problem with better help. I don't mind ripping them a new asshole at this point. And what I love is on Facebook, when they're doing their ads, I love that I'm starting to see people say they have bad experiences with them. No kidding. I'm fucking loving it. Because
SPEAKER_02:Do I get to air my story on Better Help?
SPEAKER_01:Do you want to? I mean, might as well. I mean, I I can I air mine just real quick. Yeah, go ahead. I had a person in my life who was in therapy with BetterHelp. They went through just two therapists. Their first one demonized every person in their life and said they were the only person that was in the right and everyone else was the problem and all that. Fuck that shit. The second therapist this person had was actually helpful on a level because they they were talking about things. They weren't exploring the depth or the um genesis. They weren't exploring the core of it. It was like we're talking about the subject, but we're kind of talking around it. And one thing that drives me nuts is people who go to therapy, they do their session, and then they don't do any work in between sessions. It's like the session's like, oh, it's deep and profound and work. Therapy is not about the fucking throw up and then you don't do it again. It's not how therapy works. It is consistent, consistent, consistent. And eventually you hit those profound revelations that, oh my God, that's progress. Now I can work on that and you grow. It's all about growth. Shadow Cell, about growth. Growth. Okay. Now that's my Better Help score.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, BetterHelp. Yeah. So I work in mental health and was dating someone who was a therapist on BetterHelp. And you would think that these are top-notch therapists. They're not. They're anybody who wants a little side work, they can do your session in their bathroom. They can do it in front of their boyfriend.
SPEAKER_01:Oh. Did that happen? Uh yeah. Yeah, there is the whole vi there's no uh privacy. There's supposed to be.
SPEAKER_02:You you do not have privacy guaranteed. And that is the biggest issue I take with that whole thing, is that if you are going to outsource to all these different therapists that you do not see on daily and have well, weekly, bro. You know, well you see therapists? She was doing no. I'm saying if you are better help and you don't you haven't even met some of your therapists. Oh, okay. Most of your therapists. It's a worldwide thing. You don't know what those people are when they're doing their session, who's there. They may sign stuff, but I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Nope. Yeah, and nope. I also don't. It's one of those things that to see it just purely black and white isn't fair either. There are probably legitimate therapists on there. I'm not gonna say that, but unfortunately, I think what I've understood is you even get legitimate therapists on there. They're not paid very well. They're not really their expectations. I don't think they take that many notes. You know, you're just another you're just another file in in their in their uh and and I will say the the therapist was good.
SPEAKER_02:She's great, she's awesome. Yeah, I know. But hot too. Irrelevant, but is it though? A very talented therapist.
SPEAKER_01:I actually had a therapist I was really attracted to, and it absolutely distracted from the therapy. I was the first therapist I ever had.
SPEAKER_02:Remember, we were talking about impulse and impulse control? No, this is funny. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:I'm done then. Go ahead. Oh, were you? I'm sorry, were you? No, go ahead. Oh, I think it's not that important.
SPEAKER_02:No. I mean, I'm fine. You just came in with that piece. I just wanted to make sure that it's not even the therapist, it's the process that's wrong. Zig high there.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry. I know. Really impulsive tonight. Not do as I do, not as I do as I say, not as I do. Yeah. Anyway, I had a therapist I was really attracted to. It was my first therapist ever. And I didn't get a damn bit of therapy out of that. Except right after the session. Sexual healing. I knew exactly where we were going. Thank you. We're talking about teenage you, right? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I was 13. It was right after I attempted suicide. She made me not want to do it anymore. She's like, no, Nick. She's like, don't do it. I said, what I said, I said, well, what are you gonna do to make me not do it? She said, whatever you want. And I said, and I said, time for a new therapist. That's not how that went. I was really attracted to her and it distracted from the therapy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I have never had an attractive therapist that was my therapist.
SPEAKER_01:So that was your therapist. That was my therapist. But your your friend was she's um she's a nice lady. You're okay. I gotta rip on better help a little more. No, I love doing that. I was wondering how we're getting it. I love fucking love ripping. Okay. Because it's a fucking epidemic. It's a problem. Um you notice when you watch damn near okay, you get on Rogan's podcast, Theo fucking Vaughn. Um, you you watch I love Theo Vaughn.
SPEAKER_02:How funny. He's hilarious. But I just don't watch him. I'm not offended by him.
SPEAKER_01:See, that's the thing, right there. That's how you do it. Right. I'm offended, you don't like him. Don't look at me. But it's so hard not to. I know, right?
SPEAKER_00:So beautiful. It's like the car crash. Oh, I went the other way. Oh, it's like a car crash. Okay, fine. See, I'm gonna go back to the city. Continue. You were saying complimentary.
SPEAKER_01:I'm saying you're beautiful. You're so sweet. Not ugly the hey. All right.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Um it still makes me laugh every time. It's such a great short. Um you guys are missing out.
SPEAKER_01:But better help. So you get on like YouTube, you get on podcasts. What are they constantly advertising? I got this great there, bullshit. Bullshit. I want a purple dildo. Purple?
SPEAKER_00:Purple shh purple purple Pete homes. Pete Holmes.
SPEAKER_01:That see, they're not gonna remotely get that. Please, Pete. Please, Pete, come on this podcast and be the pills for everyone. Bring your Peter on the show, Pete. Ooh, Pete's Peter. Yeah. Hey, I'm gonna reach out to him. I've got his, I've got his info. I had Bill Burr's info.
SPEAKER_02:He would be there. He'd be even better. I feel like those two episodes would exhaust us and we would need to take a break. Minecraft.
SPEAKER_01:We're done. Probably should be. We are done. Lar short of it, recap. I have to do this. Pedophilia. Well, it's it's um accountability, safe ways of expression and exploration without ever getting to exploitation. Not fucking children. I'm gonna say again. Never, ever, ever acceptable. And don't even diddle them. Why'd you do that? I was really trying to sum it up in a in like a legit, holistic fucking.
SPEAKER_02:I have to stay with our twisted teeth.
SPEAKER_01:Did it did it, did it, did it, did it, did it. Good old Diddy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we actually posted that under us. Put some baby oil on it.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, Steve Harvey.
SPEAKER_00:Pizza! I eat that shit on pizza. Oh my god.
unknown:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:There really is a nightmare out there right now. And thy name is Harvey.
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Harvey. Diddy. Diddy. Um anyway, so those points. And I wasn't referencing either one of them.
SPEAKER_02:I was just saying. Oh, there's a darkness out there that And people are exploiting it.
SPEAKER_01:People like Diddy and Epstein and Trump and other people are absolutely out there exploiting these shadow selves rather than exploring it. And you know what? They got the fucking money where they probably could legitimately safely explore these things instead of using their powers for evil.
SPEAKER_00:Evil.
SPEAKER_02:That's us. Instead, they use the money to cover it up. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:But uh so we have accountability and authenticity. We have the two E's and one E. Two to one. Two to one E. Stay with the two. Find yourself in the one. Get the hell out of there.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. This is the don't cancel me out. This is literally gonna be called that.
SPEAKER_02:This one was a rough one for me. There's a lot of anxiety in this one.
SPEAKER_01:Alright. Uh Jesus. Um I think we need one of those things. Um anyway. I'm exhausted after that one. Um, right? I feel I feel like a weight has been lifted.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:And I I think I might have lost my co-host. It might just be the defective schizo effective live from Indianapolis Correctional Facility. Doing podcasts with doing podcasts with convicted felons. Those would be good episodes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, sure. Anyway. Building silicone dolls in there.
SPEAKER_01:And sending them to people who want to explore bacon. Yeah. Now we're getting high. Oh my lord. Don't get high in your own supply.
SPEAKER_00:Um don't look to the bottle of eye for the good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we need to. Hopefully these mics gave out halfway in this episode. Yeah, probably. But they didn't.
SPEAKER_02:Um they're amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, uh Can they hear us? I'm sure they can't. They can hear. I can see. Um, yeah. So this was this was this was controversy in in its at its best. At its greatest. Um a lot of this wasn't for the point of controversy in itself. No, it's a smart conversation. With controversy. Okay. Wrap it up. Uh okay. Laughter is the best medication. Take your goddamn fucking pills and quit being such little bitches. Take the meds. Take the meds. Yeah. Laughter is free. It's easy if you let yourself. And fuck big pharma. Now we're definitely getting cancer.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, we really lit into some fun stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Fuck better help and fuck better pharma. They're only here to take your money. Anyway. Stay tuned. Bye. Bye forever, because we're gonna be in prison. No. I'll be in a mental health ward and he'll be for sure. He'll be uh I'll be in a mental health facility and he'll he'll be uh why do I always get close at the end?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Memorize these faces because you'll they still out there?
SPEAKER_02:Did they stop listening? I don't I don't see any of the things. I am not symptom now that there they are. I might have some dementia. But not but we're done. Goodbye. Goodbye forever. We will see you next time. Maybe. Maybe not.
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