Public Safety, Crime Prevention & Perception Vs. Reality | Officer Manning, Pt. 2

Gender dynamics, trauma, and preparedness: why many women excel in the police force, the emotional toll of critical incidents, and how public safety has drastically improved over the last several years.

We talk perception vs. reality of danger, prevention limits with motivated offenders, lessons learned from past incidents, and the habits that protect officer mental health.

Episode focus: female-officer perception & strengths; trauma processing; safety perception vs. reality; active-shooter preparedness; the true motivation behind mass-murderers; multi-agency response; prevention limits; the power of positivity, resilience & officer wellness.

We cover:

• Female officers in policing: interview strengths, perception, and on-scene expectations
• The emotional toll: guilt, responsibility, and evidence-based ways to process trauma
• Safety perception vs. statistics: media cycles, mindset, and community fear
• Violence motivations: what prevention helps—and why some threats persist
• Not all assassinations need a motive: some people worship chaos
• Multi-agency coordination: how reps and shared language speed real-world response
• School safety readiness: threat assessment, drills, and post-incident learning loops
• Learning from past incidents: translating debriefs into training that actually sticks
• Positivity as a discipline: peer support, perspective, and daily mental-health hygiene
• Resilience tactics: routine and boundaries that last

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Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! (AKA “BTMHOOI!”) is a candid mental health podcast rooted in lived experience: schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, BPD, PTSD, trauma recovery, coping skills, and dark humor that helps make serious mental illness more understandable and human.

Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) with frequent co-host Tony Medeiros (“IndyPocket”), we cover psych wards, psychiatric medication, disability, religious trauma, good therapy, bad therapy, and practical real-world coping — plus the societal and relationship issues that shape mental health every day. The goal isn’t just “fighting stigma.” It’s education, clarity, and honest conversation.

We interview everyone from everyday people to public figures, clinicians, and professionals, because mental health struggles don’t care who you are. If you’re willing to share your story or expertise, we aim to offer a safe, judgment-free space where you can speak openly — and still have some fun while doing it.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:23

Okay. So let's move on from race to sex. And I'm not talking we're not talking this or this. We're talking anyway. Um so you know, we're t when we're talking the treatment of the lady officers. You know, you always hear that that women are and this is what I think is out there, so we're gonna ask from a uh personal experience, not that you're a lady, but you know a few. So what would you say is there a different experience that women face in let's just say in the work environment of being a police officer versus probably more than any other field, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:06

What I figured. So not necessarily by not necessarily by their employees or their employer, but being a female cop. Yeah. Being a female officer, you're typically smaller, right? Yeah. And you're at least viewed as being weaker, like physically weaker. Right. The number of times and it I'll say this. There are some female cops, I don't know what it is about them, they command a room, right? Sure, sure. People listen to them. They can be five foot nothing and people listen to them.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43

Yeah. Men and women, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:45

Yeah. And I don't know why. But sometimes there's just like they'll walk to and they're I'll try to stay on topic here for a second. So at other times, though, you know, there's a lot of times that, you know, it's an uphill, it can be like a very difficult career. I'm not a female officer, I don't know, but it can be a difficult career for a female officer just due to the kind of people that we deal with who don't have respect for a female officer and tell them you shouldn't be doing this job, right? Sure. This is a man's job. What are you doing this job for, right? And they won't have any respect, and that is hard enough as someone. I'm not a small guy. I'm not huge, but I'm not a small guy. Um it's hard enough for me to get people to listen to me sometimes. So imagine.

SPEAKER_00: 2:24

Well, because you look gay. Thanks.

SPEAKER_05: 2:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:26

I'm kidding. We all know you have thousands of followers on TikTok because of your lady followers.

SPEAKER_05: 2:33

No, I think it's mostly it's like 99% men that follow me on TikTok. So, anyways, we're getting off topic here. But one thing I will say about female cops is if you've ever thought about it, women, women are nosy, right? Like women ask questions. There's a whole it's a whole thing, right? It's like a whole cultural thing that's always referenced on social media and things like that. Men hang out for you know eight hours, come back, and they're like, hey, what you guys talk about? I don't know. Like so-and-so broke up with so-and-so, and they'll be like, why? And it's like, oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 3:08

Okay, so maybe that's the stereotype, but our group of friends sure as hell ain't like that. Sure. But my point is we talk about it like ladies. My point we probably talk more about it than our ladies do. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 3:20

My point is that women are nosy, they they're they're they just are good at asking questions and like picking up on what questions to ask. And so I find a lot of the times that some of the best people that interviews are the are female cops. Not all the time, it's not across the board. You have whatever, but some of the best cops I've seen as far as in interviews and interrogations go are females, just because of like how quickly they can kind of pick up on stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 3:48

Uh well, and that emotional intuition that typically females are more in tune with. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 3:53

So they but it is.

SPEAKER_00: 3:55

Because right then would be more about the intimidation side of it, right? You know, we're gonna yell it out of you.

SPEAKER_05: 4:01

Yeah, I mean, I would definitely say that like the way that I talk to to get people is like a subtle intimidation. Right. You know, I'm your best friend, but I'm right on the edge of being your worst enemy. That's kind of how I keep carrying myself on calls. So being being a female, you know, it's and they're definitely like male officers who don't think really women should be in law enforcement, or at least view them as like they can at times be a danger, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 4:28

Right.

SPEAKER_05: 4:28

I I mean, I myself, like there are times that you know, I'm like, I don't know that she should be going to that call, or you know, it's it's just part of it because it's like it's the protective nature of a man wanting to protect a woman beyond anything.

SPEAKER_00: 4:41

I don't know if it speaks to to not thinking they're capable other than we just want to protect them.

SPEAKER_05: 4:46

I think that's we had a call the other day where we had someone who was mentally ill. Oh those fuckers. Gotcha. Yeah, fuck them guys. Did you just take them to jail, right? You motherfucker, you was like, took him straight to the chair, I hope. He was schizophrenic, high on meth.

SPEAKER_00: 5:02

Well, we know, like we said, your quota every day is one schizophrenic black person.

SPEAKER_05: 5:07

Yes, yep. Yeah, pretty much. So, anyways, no, I had the day off today.

SPEAKER_00: 5:12

Shit. Well, you gotta double down tomorrow. Yeah. Okay. Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 5:18

No, but uh basically what ended up happening is there was a female officer who was more than likely gonna take the call. A male officer, just due to circumstances, like it's kind of hard to explain. Like, there's a culture around just keeping each other from taking too much paper or taking too many reports. Right. You know, you wanna you want to share the the workload. Right, sure. This male officer who's bigger than me, he's like, hey, I got it. I'll take I'll handle this call, I'll take the guy. We had him custody, no, no issues.

unknown: 5:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 5:46

They go, they go to take him to the hospital, psychiatric ward, and as soon as they get him out of cuffs, he attacks one of the one of the nurses. And there were two this officer and another male officer about my size, were there, and they fought the dude for like a solid like two minutes, which is a long time. You've ever been in a fight with somebody like a minute, it's a it's forever. So they fought him for almost like two minutes. And I remember thinking, like, thank god, like the female cough didn't go to that, like take him to the hospital. Yeah, because she's so small, and this these two dudes were wore out.

SPEAKER_00: 6:21

I mean, like, gas, sweating, like see, that's the thing, is there there is no denying and I the the biological physical ability of especially strength that that men have in general over women. You can't deny that. You know, like you said, most men are typically bigger than women and stronger than women, right? So by default, we should be able to handle physical altercations easier than women. I mean, it's not to dog on them at all. It's it's a biological strength, right? So I don't think that has to be a derogatory thing, but it's not to say a woman can't handle it either. Uh I mean, some of the best cops I know are are women. So Yeah, we know that we know that. We we know that. Some of us know that. Some of us know that.

SPEAKER_05: 7:10

I mean, genuine genuine, like some of the best cops that we have are women. Yep. I mean, do you know about what the guys guys can be dumb. They make stupid decisions, and then you gotta like-stupid. I mean, seriously, like so much of this job is about like like knowing and confident what you're doing and like making good decisions and things like that. Like, if you are, think about it like this, if you are a smaller officer, male or female, you're probably going to make decisions that are beneficial to you based on your physical stature. If you're someone who's just big, you're gonna use that to your advantage, right? And you're gonna you're gonna handle calls. And so you might be a be just a dumbass who doesn't know how to take any paper because every time you go to a call, everyone's like, oh, okay, I'm opposed to someone who has to like really think about through their situations and be tactically sound and things like that, right? So, like, sure, you know, you as a as a smaller statured officer, I'm not, but you would imagine they probably think they take that into account for every call and situation they go into.

SPEAKER_00: 8:09

You'd have to.

SPEAKER_05: 8:10

Yeah. You would have to. Like you said, at the end of the day, you know, being smaller is something that's can be dangerous. You know, you want I'll be honest, when you get into fights, sometimes it's like, thank God so-and-so is running up to me right now because that dude is gonna he's gonna have it handled here in a second.

SPEAKER_00: 8:28

Yeah, I mean, and that's well, gosh, it's like certain videos that you and I've talked about on TikTok where you know you've got, you know, and I maybe eventually we do some reactions to those.

SPEAKER_05: 8:37

But yeah, well, the one you're referring to, those cops were my size or bigger, and they s they handle that situation poorly.

SPEAKER_00: 8:44

Not that they Right, and it was about how they handled the situation, not their physical stature, right?

SPEAKER_05: 8:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:49

So yeah, I mean, I'd I'd love to actually review some cop videos with you for like shorts at some point. Okay, so let's go and segue into a um let's segue into this real quick. So if we're talking the mental and emotional loads, right? So humanity first. Um I know we talked a little bit earlier about you know your process of decompressing and everything. And you know, stop me if this is not where you want to go with this, but I know you shared TikTok posts about a certain case that seemed to really shake you up.

SPEAKER_05: 9:22

Yeah, it's the only one to really.

SPEAKER_00: 9:23

It's the only one that really got to you. You don't have to give details on it. I'll let you guide that part. What I will ask that you answer eventually is you can say why that one took the toll on you so much and how did you recover from that one? Because I distinctly remember that one really getting you. So you can share what details you're comfortable with, but at least the mental side of it.

SPEAKER_05: 9:44

Yes. Um, backstory. Basically, me and my girlfriend, but she's a she's an officer, she works with me, she's my co-worker.

SPEAKER_00: 9:52

Um, we were all I didn't know if you were allowed to say that.

SPEAKER_05: 9:55

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, everyone knows we're together. All right, Carl, cut that in post. So, anyways, we just happened to be uh out to out on meal, where we were out on meal was next to the Walmart, and there's something there's basically we basically we end up getting a call that someone had gotten run over at the Walmart. So we respond to the Walmart. We found a find an adult female with severe injuries, and while we're trying to talk to her, she speaks Portuguese. Pretty common that we encounter people that don't speak English, so she's doesn't speak English, and she's trying to communicate with her trying to like what happened. Everyone around us is like just kind of yell, it's Walmart, so it's busy, everyone's yelling, hollering. So she starts yelling, you know, like like where's my baby or where's my child or something like that? And we're like thinking maybe it was an abduction, you know, someone grabbed the kid and ran her over. So we're like, Right, okay, what would it what child, like, where would they be? And then as we're trying to talk to her, I start hearing all the screaming coming from the other side of the parking lot. I I don't know, like my brain just I've I put two and two together, like right there. Right shit. So I go sprinting. I'm not kidding you. As I'm running over, there's people bent over throwing up on the pavement. Okay. That just gave you an idea, I'm not gonna get into specifics, but just to give you an idea of how bad it was. I run over there and I find the little girl, she's six years old. She'd been clearly run over by a vehicle, and we later found out drug 500 feet under a sedan. Okay. The injuries to her are indescribable. They can't even can't even put into words what it was like looking at this child. And I was okay in that moment. You know, you you see a lot of like messed up stuff. It's not like the first time I've seen like some of these injuries before. Um first time someone this small, though. So I'm kind of like I'm thinking, I'm trying to like, next steps. I gotta we gotta start coordinating some getting the scene like secure. As I'm processing this, the kid starts, she's face down, she starts lifting up her head and she starts to look around. That that was what was hard. So as soon as I realized that she was alive, I I can't tell you how helpless I felt. Just never before in my life. I feel like I've always been someone who's been able to figure something out, right? Like sure, whatever situation I've ever been in, like, okay, think there's a solution here, we can figure it out. This is the this is the first time I can ever really think where I was just I was useless. There was like nothing for me to do. I couldn't help her. Her dad was there, her dad was screaming. I was trying to keep him from touching her because you don't want, you know, I don't know what's for how bad her spine is and things of that nature. So I'm really trying to like mitigate any further damage. I'm trying to talk to her, trying to comfort her. And I just think like EMS has to get here, like the the paramedics have to get here to her. Right. If I was a parent, I wouldn't care how messed up I was, I'd want paramedics to get to my kid. So I got on the radio, was like, we need to prioritize coming to this location. Okay, like four different times, exactly where I was at. Describe the injuries, describe the that it was a child. You know, I'm like, I'm focused on let's get paramedics here. Paramedics get there. Um, the paramedic that gets there, he's a friend of mine, literally the nicest guy. And I remember seeing him and thinking, thank God it's him.

SPEAKER_00: 13:39

Wow, okay. You know what I mean? Like you knew he would be on top of it. You know if anybody can handle it, it was him.

unknown: 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 13:45

We get emotional just talking about it. So he gets there and he just goes to work. I mean, he's he's he's got it figured out, he knows what to do. And I remember just the relief of like, oh, okay, like someone's someone's gonna take care of her. I'm going into cop mode. I'm gonna find out who did this. And um I will say, like, with the resources that we had, it was funny because we we got a new database that's uh that links all of our reporting software with all the different agencies in the county and like other counties. It's the first one that we've we've ever had. Before we had to we'd have to call over to other agencies to ask for information. Now it's successful.

SPEAKER_01: 14:23

Oh wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 14:24

So, anyways, we're trying to find this car. My girlfriend, she's in Walmart, she gets camera footage of the crash, which is horrific. We get a video of the vehicle, we get images of the vehicle, we have a description of the vehicle, we don't have a tag for the vehicle, but basically, the offender she tried to report her vehicle was stolen, which is telltale sign that you're involved, right? So she tries to report the vehicle stolen, and we end up we end up locating her, right? I don't want to get to too far in the details, but right we end up locating her. That I was probably the most focused I've ever been because we were we were scouring. I won't tell you exactly how I why I won't say I located her, but how we ended up locating her. Um it happened to be like the perfect situation in which we were able to find her, and it happened like the timing for when I was searching specific information to when other events were occurring, everything's perfectly lined up, and I was like, wait, hold on. I think we got something. So, you know, we ended up finding her in probably like four hours, which was I mean unheard of to find them that quick. The speed at which we found her with the information that we had was pretty incredible. It was a multi-agency, everybody was ready, involved, helping, dedicated. The craziest part of this whole story is that little girl is still alive.

SPEAKER_00: 15:47

Yeah, I know. I know she is.

SPEAKER_05: 15:49

She is still alive. She went home last month.

SPEAKER_00: 15:53

And I know it sounded like you guys were questioning if she was gonna make it. I think you guys were pretty surprised, weren't you?

SPEAKER_05: 15:59

I I we didn't think she'd make it to the hospital.

SPEAKER_00: 16:02

So it shows the fight in her and also the excellent response of the first responders. I mean, it's you guys too, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 16:09

I always think, like, man, that is the toughest. That's a tough kid.

SPEAKER_00: 16:13

That is a toughest.

SPEAKER_05: 16:15

That is the toughest person I've ever ever met in my life. And I met her for like, I don't know, three minutes, two minutes. I mean, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 16:22

It's crazy. It is amazing. Clearly, even how you're responding now, that was an incredibly emotional experience that still is effective, and and I'm sure you will never forget this one. Um, you know, uh, how how deeply did this one affect you? And how did you get not get over it? Because that's a that's a probably a poor use of words, but I know this one hit you hard. So what was your process to okay, what was your process to process this one? And this wasn't your run-of-the-mill call. This was something much more effective.

SPEAKER_05: 17:01

Yeah, it's it's worth noting that we had two days later, we had a double fatality of two small kids getting hit by a car crash. Yeah, they were they were in a vehicle and ejected. And I was on that one. The the fact that she was alive and maybe because I just wasn't there on scene first for that, the other one. Um they definitely impacted me very differently. Um still very hard, very difficult on both of them. But the the one with the the the little girl that I was I was on, like that that was really difficult due to, you know, I I think honestly, like that she was still alive. Like, oh my gosh, she's she's suffering right now. Like she's she's actively suffering. That's that's so different than like someone is deceased. Right. Kid calls are always hard. They're always hard. Oh, they would be. Yeah, they're always hard. Uh but this one, yeah, it did affect me unlike anything has or yeah, it it affected me a lot. So it made me really I don't know, I was just like heartbroken for her. Because like she's never gonna be the same for the rest of her life, she's gonna have physical limitations and things because of how severe her injuries were. I don't know. I just I just felt like so responsible for her. I I was so close too. Right. So I don't know, as far as like processing it, it's it hits me, it like wells up sometimes. And sure. I don't know. I just try to keep in mind that like she's alive, her parents are alive, her mom recovered pretty well, you know, and we caught a guy. So I try to like focus on the on the positives and things like that.

SPEAKER_00: 18:42

But do you think it would change do you think you would change your perspective if you didn't catch the person who did it? I'd be very upset with myself. So you you would blame yourself if that person wasn't caught, even though that would be an agency effort, a multi-agency effort.

SPEAKER_05: 18:57

All I can say is that I was dedicated, laser focused, let's let's find her. And we did. So, and it was it was through like consistent nonstop effort. I mean consistent.

SPEAKER_00: 19:10

We did not take a break, we didn't stop, you know, we someone brought us- You all were pretty like every one of us were getting this person. Yes, every one of us. So that's how impact. That is how impactful that particular situation had to be. Because I mean, we all know you guys are coming up on some pretty heinous situations, right?

SPEAKER_05: 19:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 19:30

But that particular one, if if the multi-agency group that's involved is all just banding together, like beelining it to figure out what the hell's going on and then finding this person, that that speaks to the to the weight of that particular situation.

SPEAKER_05: 19:44

Yeah, someone heard a someone hurt a little kid. And it was so so senseless. The incident was not intentional. I don't think the woman intentionally ran her over, but this individual was just like should have never been driving in the first place. Right. Uh we we can speculate and all kinds of stuff, but it it's just Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:06

But I yeah, I see what you mean.

SPEAKER_05: 20:08

It was it was a difficult one. It still it still fucks me sometimes. I haven't had like the I haven't had it like in me to go see her. Yeah. I don't know. I think uh every time I think about it, it's like hard to hard to imagine.

SPEAKER_00: 20:21

You think it'd be healing in? You think she'd like to see you?

SPEAKER_05: 20:25

I don't know. I don't know. I I think about sometimes. I probably will one day see if I can't go over to the house and meet her.

SPEAKER_00: 20:32

Um maybe you and your girl both can. Both you and your girlfriends that you both were on the scene. So, you know, not a bad segue. You and I were talking through text after Charlie Kirk.

SPEAKER_03: 20:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 20:44

I mean, that's not where we're going to start, but you know, I mentioned that, boy, it sure seems like the world is more dangerous than it's ever been. And you made a statement that the world is dangerous, but it's in many ways safer than it's ever been. I want your perspective as to why, because I struggle to see it. And I think out there you're hearing a lot of people struggle to see that. I mean, as we know, every generation is like, oh, this is the end times, and you know, this is the worst it's ever been. So maybe that's just inherently, you know, how I'm gonna feel about it. But myself having a very young child, when I see the things like the story you mentioned, or you know, the several others that are out there about the harm done to children. And and I'll tell you what, you know, once you have a child, the the perspective gets even even deeper on stuff like that. So why do you think in your in your perspective is the world safer than it's ever been?

SPEAKER_05: 21:42

Well, I don't have like we could talk about statistics and things like that. I don't have numbers in front of me. What I'll say is crime over time has like changed, like the kind of crime that we that is like school shootings and things like that, they are far more prevalent now than they've ever been. Right. Right. So there's definitely elements of our society that have gotten date like more dangerous. The fact that a school can be dangerous is is wild.

SPEAKER_00: 22:05

Yeah, that's something you and I could I don't remember ever thinking that. In fact, I remember thinking school was a safe place. And that's to say, I don't think school has to not be a safe place, but I'm just saying that thought never occurred in my head that I'd get hurt at school like that.

SPEAKER_05: 22:20

But keep in mind that today um our resources are far better uh than they've ever been in terms of keeping kids safe, just generally, not just you know, talking about like school shooting. I'm talking about general. Fucking car seats are safer than they've ever been, cars are safer than they've ever been, right? I I went to a rollover crash, car was absolutely demolished, and there's a little kid in the backseat, and he was fine. He was strapped into this car's seat, he's a okay. It is amazing, actually. You know, there's our our ability to solve crimes are so much more effective now, right? We have a million different we have facial recognition, touch DNA. Right. We have like our databases are more connected than ever before. Everyone's got a ring doorbell camera. Solving crimes right now is easier than it's ever been. Crime rates are down, right? Just generally speaking, crime rates are like more down than they they've ever been. So, like, you know, there's so many elements about our lives. Like we live very comfortable lives in this country. Oh, for sure. For sure. Our lives are generally safer, generally safer than they've ever been. There's absolutely elements that are more dangerous. School shootings, right? Like we just said, school shootings are more common than they've ever been.

unknown: 23:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 23:37

Fuck even clearly public assassinations are becoming a thing, too.

SPEAKER_05: 23:42

Well, of course, that's always been around. It's always been a thing.

SPEAKER_00: 23:45

You're right.

SPEAKER_05: 23:45

There's a president got there's two presidents that got their brains blown out. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00: 23:49

So Yeah, the list is huge.

SPEAKER_05: 23:51

So it's it's a matter of we are very self-aware of our own situation and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00: 23:56

What I wanted to ask you is have the situations changed? So we're talking, you know, the crime, you know, you're mentioning crime rates have gone down and everything, which okay, yeah. I don't think we're all presented that for one thing. It seems like you hear more about crime being so much more prevalent than it was.

SPEAKER_04: 24:12

And I capture, we capture, like visually capture more crime.

SPEAKER_00: 24:17

That's what I was about to say is I think the difference is now everything we're aware of all of it. So it's like, you know, okay, the big thing is uh we were talking about on one episode about pedophilia, and how, you know, back years ago, you know, you it was word of mouth if someone was a pedophile, but now you've got a fucking database of it, as there should be.

SPEAKER_01: 24:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 24:39

But it's like, is there any more pedophiles than there were, or are we just now we're aware of it, right? That's the difference, right?

SPEAKER_05: 24:46

Well, okay, so and we're talking in all situations, not just this you gotta think like this stuff sells, right? Like people watch videos of violence and they talk about videos or they talk about violence and crimes and things like that. Like this is just something that's very enticing for people to talk about. And like it is, you know, it's it kind of goes back to like cops are out here beating everybody up, you know. We have video now, cop we wear cameras on our on our person to every single interaction that we have. So there's so you can say like wow, it just seems like all these cops are well, there's just so much documentation. Right. Inevitably you're gonna cat you're gonna capture things that are affirming of your point of view. And then another thing is like you know, people like to use violence, like occurrences of violence as uh ways of you know making their point or you know kind of validating their already existing worldview on stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 25:54

Oh, 100%. And is uh I mean to kind of get on the the Charlie Kirk thing, you know. Kind of hard not to talk about it. What's that?

SPEAKER_05: 26:04

So it's kinda hard not to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00: 26:06

Right, because it's so prevalent right now, and honestly, I'm probably gonna go and release our episode tomorrow, so I thought I'd go and get it out there. But what I was gonna say is, you know, with what happened to him, you know, I did I did a TikTok post on it, and and my perspective was so you as you know, you have the people who were literally popping champagne bottles and and throwing parties for for his death. That was legitimate. People were doing that. Um, unfortunately, you also not unfortunately, but then you have the other side who is hating on those people for or doing that, which is valid, right? This that's valid as hell, you know. But my perspective would be, you know, when you get on social media, and I'm I'm kind of leaking this all together. So, you know, you get on social media, you hear people bashing the cops for racism, you hear, you know, it's all about hatred, right?

SPEAKER_05: 26:54

That's what our social hate yourself, that's why politics. That's why I don't like politics at all anymore, because that's that's what sells. That's what if I get you riled up over a point or an issue, right, then I pit you against these people and I win. I win.

SPEAKER_01: 27:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 27:09

Absolutely. And you know, I guess it's like with Charlie, you know, I don't understand, I don't understand when it I mean, I guess it's probably just human nature, but boy, I I don't I mean, okay, let's go to this. I mean like MLK and Malcolm X were assassinated and they were activists. You know, I don't know if Charlie would be considered on the same level as those two.

unknown: 27:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_00: 27:32

But what I'm saying is people who were trying to make statements and make changes, they were another level, but not comparing apples to apples. I want to say that a billion times, Sarah, because I don't want to get knocked with that. Charlie Kirk, MLK, same level. But what I'm saying is, you know, people with very bold opinions saying some very controversial things, taken out. As you said, I guess that's not really more prevalent now, other than we just have easily accessible documentation of all sorts on these situations.

SPEAKER_05: 28:01

Yeah. So I will tell you, in my opinion, this is my opinion. I think I don't know that we're ever, and if you think about this, rarely do we get an answer why this guy did this, right? Because we want to attach it. We want we've as as people, we want to have an explanation for something like this. A motive. A motive. Right. Right? You might get like some manifestos and things like that, right? We'll try that. Well, well, what I'm saying is like, you know, you get you get people who um do these horrible things. They go and they shoot up schools, they shoot up, you know, a mosque, they go and they shoot up a w a grocery store, uh, and they shoot political figures, right? Right, right, right. Uh it is worth noting that these people are not uh typical normal people. These are horrible people. These are people who don't if you're willing to do this, you don't need a motive. Right? You are someone who wants, and it you may appreciate this, like they said, some people just want to watch the world burn. But the reality is that these in my opinion, these people they do these horrific things just to do horrific things. And they don't necessarily need a motive or be tied to a specific ideology to do these things. That's why whenever we go and we look at all the all their history, we're trying to man, he was you know Oh, that's what I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 29:36

A little bit reclusive, but I don't remember what comedian said it, but it's it's one of my favorite little bits, and it's also accurate. Is you know, you go back and you're like, oh, Charlie. Boy, that was the wrong name to use. Fucking idiot. Uh Billy here, man. Uh he I could, you know, you talk to the relatives or something like he was the sweetest little boy. Like, I could never have seen it's always I could never have seen this coming. Probably not. You know, have you seen Child uh no, sorry, yeah, boyhood? No, what was it?

SPEAKER_05: 30:05

The show on I think it was Netflix.

SPEAKER_00: 30:07

Adolescence.

SPEAKER_05: 30:08

Adolescence, thank you. I've seen that yet. I've not that show probably gets as close to as we can get to an explanation why people do horrific things.

SPEAKER_00: 30:19

Yeah, that's been on my list for a long time. Thought of even doing some reaction stuff to that one because that's been on that's been on my list.

SPEAKER_05: 30:24

We want to tie, we want to tie, and maybe there was. Maybe this guy is like super left wing and he just was like, I need to take out this this political figure. Um I if I was a betting man, I'll put money on that that there's really not a good we're not gonna find much in his past in terms of his his ideology and political beliefs that explain this, other than he is just someone who wanted to do something horrific. He's just deeply, deeply disturbed and and this what better way what better way to do it than than assassinating a highly like a very fancy yeah, right? So I don't know that let's present it this way.

SPEAKER_00: 31:05

I mean, how many people are so fascinated with Dahmer and Bundy and Ed Gain and all these guys, and we're all obsessed with the TV shows. I love watching them. You know, I love the psychology of a serial killer and all those shows, and I listen to the podcast, and it's because I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out how to how to get my kills going, you know. Um schizo effective, it's what we do. Right. No, but seriously, it's like we can't help but be interested in understanding these people, but is it understandable? That's that's what I'm saying. There's that's what I'm saying. I think that's it. I think the mystery, there's no maybe there's no mystery to be to be solved.

SPEAKER_05: 31:46

Listen, I have seen violence in my career. And there is no explanation for why it happened, and there never will be. And and you're okay with that, right? You can accept I guess I can accept it to a certain point, but there are call-I mean, there's there's homicides I've been to, man, where it's like, I don't understand why this person got murdered. We caught the person, we don't we know what happened. It's not that we don't know what happened, it's why did it happen? We have no idea. No idea.

SPEAKER_00: 32:12

We'll never tell you either. No, well, of course, I guess they have to plead guilty if they do that.

SPEAKER_05: 32:17

Well, the one I the specific one I'm thinking about, they're they're they're dead. So gotcha. Okay. So, anyways, it's like, um, you know, people, we just we're not gonna always have an explanation. I think sometimes, absolutely, there's there's a a motive, right? There's a political motive, but you gotta think, you gotta put yourself in the mind of someone who's willing to kill another person. That person is not a rational human being.

SPEAKER_00: 32:40

Oh, you're absolutely right. And then of course there's the whole argument, which I I do buy into, that you know, most people are capable of killing if the right situation presents itself. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But when you're talking the level of killing of like Charlie Kirk and the Dawnlers and all that shit. Or little kids, right. I mean, you're anything like that where it's something more than a crime of passion, or hell, you're killing for the killing for a cause. Let's say a cause of any sort.

SPEAKER_05: 33:05

There you go, a cause. Like there's a cause for this stuff. There's not.

SPEAKER_00: 33:09

There's does right, you're right. And I think the unknown is what terrifies us with those situations, or maybe not terrifies us, but definitely fucking intrigues us. We want to know. We want to why'd you do it? Why'd you do it? We gotta know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 33:26

So like to your point earlier, it's it's a frustrating I find it to be frustrating that the conversation immediately goes to the political affiliation of the people that do these things. And it's politics. You politics or religious. It's either one, usually either one. Maybe this person is just a shitty person. They could believe what could be left wing, they could be right wing, it doesn't matter. Anybody who has an ideology that is extreme enough, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they align with. Or they're just they're just people that want to watch other they want to hurt other people. That's why he wants to hurt another person. You cannot tell me that there is a political motivation to going and shooting little kids. There is no political motivation. That is entirely a person who wants to make people hurt in ways that you cannot imagine. And that this is somebody who, in my opinion, what I speculate is the case, killed someone who is very prolific for the purpose of killing a prolific individual to watch people hurt.

SPEAKER_00: 34:34

And I don't think it has to be more complicated than that.

SPEAKER_05: 34:37

He can not like the guy. Right. Whatever. Well, and you know, here's the thing a guy that I kind of don't like is in town, and a lot of people like him. I'll go take around.

SPEAKER_00: 34:46

You know, depending on the person's mindset, as you said, you know, I I don't think it has to be as complicated as we make it, and I think that's of course, as you mentioned before, I think we talked on this. Is that you know, twisting things to a political motive or something, you know, obviously incites all this uh unrest and chaos. And the thing is, I doubt this particular individual uh was trying to do that either. I don't think he was a martyr for causing political uh civil unrest. I just don't buy it. I'm not saying that can't be a thing.

SPEAKER_05: 35:15

But I mean we could find out that yes, he had these very specific political motivations and this is why he did it, and all these things. I'm not saying that that's an impossibility. I'm just saying that I think we we jump the gun and we just we look for things that are validating to our view of 100%, 100%.

SPEAKER_00: 35:33

And here's the thing is is people who commit those acts, I would argue, and I would imagine you'd be in the same train as this. I would argue their political ideals probably aren't that much stronger than the most extreme of that political ideal. It comes down to what you said is they don't have the humanity, you know what I mean? I imagine that any of these guys who are killing these individuals, especially political or religious based, probably don't have any more extreme or passionate views of those ideals as the most extreme individuals who don't commit those acts. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 36:10

So I think the only common commonality that we would probably ever find with people that behave like this these days at least, is they're probably very reclusive individuals who spend a lot of time on online. Okay. Right? So that might provide some level of explanation of why someone does this or where like where they get their, you know, I don't know, their opinions. I'm gonna be honest, man. I th I f I honestly feel like the the show Adolescence, bro, you gotta you gotta watch it. It's it's the closest to getting to explaining why people, in my opinion, do things like this because it's really I highly recommend it. Beautiful well done show.

SPEAKER_00: 36:49

I'll I'll I'll just go ahead and it's only three episodes, I think. Three or four. Yeah, that'd that'll be my next one. Um, because that's been on my list for a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 36:58

So understand what I'm saying once you watch it.

SPEAKER_00: 37:00

Yeah, I've heard the gist of it, but watching it, I'm sure I'll get a a much more deep perception of it. What I was gonna say is, okay, so you being a cop in the in the field, and I know you've gone through active shooter training and things like that. Uh did a whole event. You know, those and and you and go ahead. I did a whole event. Right, to stage the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05: 37:24

So, and that's for SWAT, right? No, that was that was a multi-agency event that that was put on to show how a multi-agency response would operate to any given school in in the county.

SPEAKER_00: 37:38

Okay, wow, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 37:39

So you had like a hundred and like a hundred officers altogether.

SPEAKER_00: 37:43

Right, okay. And you had like actors like acting out like you know, the crowd and the shooters and everything. So obviously, that being even simulated shows you the absolute chaotic nightmare of one of those situations. Absolutely. And all of the organization and and tactics that have to go behind resolving something like that. I know you and I have talked before about other shootings that have happened where it was mishandled. And we don't Uvaldi's a big one. Right. That's when you and I talked about specifically not too long ago. So joke. Right. Um, and honestly, look up that situation. I don't think we need to go into details about that. And honestly, most of you probably know about it. But what are we doing differently to address those situations? What can we be doing differently? What's your perspective?

SPEAKER_05: 38:31

To give you a uh a little bit of an indication of how much we've uh adapted to combat this. We had a somebody accidentally activated the emergency or the active shooter alarm.

SPEAKER_02: 38:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 38:45

At an elementary school. This happened two days ago. Okay. The response time in I don't know if it's all of Florida. I think it's all of Florida, but we have either school security officers or school resource officers at every single school.

unknown: 39:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 39:04

And some private schools they hire additional like security, armed security. So we have an armed individual on campus of every school. So that's one way that we're we've adapted to combat any kind of violence that would happen at a school.

SPEAKER_00: 39:18

Oh gosh, you even know it at where we went to school. I mean, that was they had they had officers there.

SPEAKER_05: 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 39:25

So I mean it's been a thing.

SPEAKER_05: 39:26

But go ahead, yeah. Yeah. So um in addition to that, we have the active shooter alarms that every teacher has access to, every faculty member has access to. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 39:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 39:37

The the schools, just like we used to do tornado drills, they do active shooter drills. Which sounds wild that they have to do that. That's absolutely crazy. But it is. Yeah, it is. It is something that uh, you know, there's tools and methods and equipment to secure doors, there's procedures, they won't even open the door to us uh unless there's like specific things that are met in order for the teacher to open the door after an alarm. There's they are trained on this over and over and over again. They these teachers and students, they're trained on it more more probably more than we are. Right? Makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. So um we had a false alarm, someone accidentally activated it, and uh I I can't promise. This is always the case, or whatever, but to this particular response was something like 30 seconds, 45 seconds for officers to get on scene. It was under a minute. Part of that is because of where I work is very has highly law enforcement saturated. But it does give you we take it very seriously. Um and we're trained on it pretty regularly. So the fact that we have to do it at all is wild, but it is definitely something that is a high focus. And then aside from a response, which is reactionary, we now have all of these we have a task force that specifically investigates threats.

SPEAKER_00: 41:06

Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_05: 41:07

People who may be threats, any indication of a threat of special task force specifically dedicated where I work to finding and locating, interviewing people who may be a a potential threat.

SPEAKER_02: 41:22

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 41:23

So we we have those people that are always out there trying to find someone who may be the next school shooter. So and not just school shooter, but but that's one of the you know, one of the key drivers to building the task force. You know, there's a lot of um preventative stuff that's being done, investigative stuff that's being done to try to prevent these things from occurring. Only issue is is a motivated person is going to do what a motivated person wants to do. 100%. And we my entire job is about mitigating, mitigating dangerous outcomes.

SPEAKER_01: 42:01

Right.

SPEAKER_05: 42:01

Mitigating probabilities of threat. Right. That you'll never eliminate, right? If I do a traffic stop, I don't care how perfectly and tactfully I do that traffic stop. There are so many unknowns and so many areas of threat that exist at any given moment. There's just something that you know you're walking into and you have to accept is going to be part of that, you know, part of that traffic stop. But we are in law enforcement doing our best to try to, you know, prevent these things from happening. It's just unfortunate that really honestly, like a motivated person is can do a lot of damage. Our response time, our ability to address a threat, the way that we're trained to address a threat, the threat is so much different. It's so much better than it used to be. This job is learned, is learned by blood, right? So we talk about Uvoldi a lot, okay? Right. Doesn't seem like it was that long ago, but I think it was like four, five years ago, four years ago, something like that. Yeah. We talk about Uvoldi a lot on exactly how not to handle that situation. Every single time that we do a training, that that situation was brought is brought up. Okay, you see what these guys did? We don't do that.

SPEAKER_01: 43:15

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05: 43:16

Right. We go in, we address the threat. We address the threat. You know, it's part of the job. You're in there to say it's oh, there's no waiting around, waiting for help. Um, I don't remember what the other shooting was, but the uh a really good response was the one it was like was it North Carolina or something like that? Uh it was the not to be political, it was the one that had the transgender shooter in the school.

SPEAKER_00: 43:39

And they the Catholic school?

SPEAKER_05: 43:41

Yes, and they shot him in the library. Right. If you look at the body cam footage of that, fantastic response. That's how you're supposed to respond. You've always the exact opposite of that on how to respond to an active shooter.

SPEAKER_00: 43:52

Well, and and you think we're not hearing as much about the school shootings that are avoided or handled well. I mean, how many how many times is this occurring where law enforcement is handling it well where we don't fucking hear about it because of what didn't end in tragedy? And I don't know, you probably don't even have that answer, but I'm I'm speculating, I'm wondering. I mean, we don't ever hear about the good stuff, right? That Charlie Kirk was killed, there was a school shooting. And we didn't hear anything about that unless you kind of gotten to the back side of the news a little bit further down the fucking page.

SPEAKER_05: 44:24

Yeah, so it's like not even front page news anymore for schools to be shoot up shot up. So how many are prevented or thwarted? I don't really know.

SPEAKER_00: 44:32

I mean, but that's what I'm wondering.

SPEAKER_05: 44:34

Is like, are we just the amount of interactions that we have on any given day, and this is something that we're we have a heightened, you know, we're looking out for these things.

SPEAKER_01: 44:42

Right.

SPEAKER_05: 44:43

Uh we have a heightened sense for people who may be that kind of threat. Even if we, as the officer, encounter someone, it's like, okay, I can't really do anything in this situation, but I got you forward it to your funny. I'm gonna forward this to the task force, and then they can they can do a threat assessment on this person, right? So, like, you know, it's there's a lot of interaction, there's a lot of awareness that this is a threat, a situation that needs to be handled. So, in that, being proactive, how much is that reducing or preventing active shooter situations or mass shootings? I don't really know. I mean, I guess you we can't really know, but uh that's true.

SPEAKER_00: 45:20

And I guess, you know, just like you know, all of the I'm sure homicides and thefts and all that that are thwarted daily, I'm sure far exceeds the number of of those instances that are successful, if you know what I'm saying. So I just wish on something like school shootings that are so prevalent and everybody rightfully so is devastated by them. I'd love to know the numbers of the thwarted. You know, how many of how many of these preventative measures stopped? It's a great question. Because honestly, as you said, we're never gonna full stop these situations, and I'm sure as time goes on, people will find other ways of exacting violence and all that. So we're an ever-evolving technology, technological, you know, beings. So we'll keep coming up with new ways to kill each other. It's just it's just what we've done over the years of the times. I guess what I wanted to kind of I guess kind of end on, and then I do have kind of I did this thing with Tony where I did kind of a either-or, because I interviewed him. I haven't posted yet. But I did kind of an either-or. So, but first, you know, what if let's say you wanted the you wanted the listeners to walk away with something from your episode. What's your key takeaway that you want the listeners to if there's one thing people need to fucking remember about this episode with Ryan, what is it?

SPEAKER_05: 46:44

That the world is full full of horrific things, horrific experiences, horrific people, but it's also full of really beautiful, amazing, incredible people and things and experiences. And to be honest, you're more likely going to experience wonderful things in your life than tragic things, and should focus on those. You know, the world's not as bad as it's portrayed to be. It's yeah, it's a it's got a dark side, and there's like absolutely horrific things. I've seen it, I've seen it firsthand, but there are some incredible people, right? This little girl is a perfect example of that. Horrific, right? Horrific thing happened to her. She is an incredible person. It's a great world to live in with someone as strong and as resilient as her.

SPEAKER_00: 47:29

So I guess I like that. That's a good that's a good takeaway. All right. This is the lightning round. So these are very you can give as long of answers as you want, but try to keep it on this shorter side. Okay. Okay, you ready? Yeah. There's five of these. Okay. First, best piece of protective equipment you swear by as an officer, and why?

SPEAKER_05: 47:54

First thing I think of is the radio.

SPEAKER_00: 47:55

I mean I love that answer. What's one gesture a citizen does to you that may piss you off? Let's go that route.

SPEAKER_05: 48:03

Let me first say, first say this, and I know you want short answers, but let me say this. People are always, not always, generally really, really nice to me. Okay? When I'm out and about in uniform, people have big jugs.

SPEAKER_00: 48:17

Yeah. I mean, your boobs are huge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 48:19

I mean, squeeze them. No, seriously, like people are hey, thank you so much for your service. Like, that's what I encounter more than anything. But the thing that it really is annoying are people that claim that they know what their rights are. I mean, that's just that's a classic line, you know. I know my rights. No, you don't. I'm sorry, no, you don't. You don't know your rights, clearly, because now you're in handcuffs. So that's the most annoying thing. That is the most annoying thing that people can say is I know my rights.

SPEAKER_00: 48:48

Oh, you've got rights and lefts. Yeah. And ups and downs and middles. Okay. Um what's the most underrated training drill that you guys have to go through?

SPEAKER_05: 49:00

Okay. I won't say it's necessarily a training drill, but the probably the thing that people forget to do is known as dry firing. It's one of the most effective ways to sharpen your ability to be proficient at a firearm. And it's you just have an empty gun. You gotta make sure it's clear, and then you just work on your trigger control setting, drawing, aiming, firing. It's known as dry firing. Um, it's really easy, quick to do. Put your uniform on, clear your gun, do a couple dry fires, go about your day. Okay. Very, very effective at keeping uh you keeping you proficient.

SPEAKER_00: 49:38

Okay, I like that. Here's another one. What's a phrase you wish cops would retire?

SPEAKER_05: 49:44

Damn, that's uh that's a good question. Uh can we come back to that one? I want to think about that for a second.

SPEAKER_00: 49:50

Sure. Um, then let's do it the other way. What is a phrase or ideology you wish everyone else would get rid of about cops?

SPEAKER_05: 49:58

I kind of got an answer for you. Um I wish the cops weren't so pessimistic. Um we we we deal with a lot of I don't know if you've ever heard, but like the number of tragedies or traumatic events that a cop deals with in a career, you know, is like in the tens of occurrences, whereas like most people will deal with one traumatic event in uh in their life, one or two. So cops have the tendency over time to become very jaded. Yeah, you just become kind of pessimistic. Like you have a you can have like a negative opinion about people in the world, and you just kind of think like people are just horrible, people are just terrible people. And I always try to tell those guys like we deal with the worst people and we deal with people on their worst days, right? That's that's what we're dealing with, right? It's not representative of society necessarily, and not at large, it's just that's who we're dealing with. Yeah, you see what people are capable of, you understand like the the the kind of people that are out there and exist and what people are able to do to each other, but broadly speaking, people are you know, people are okay to each other. Um sometimes very good.

SPEAKER_00: 51:09

I think most people really try to be good people.

SPEAKER_05: 51:13

So that that would be my I wish cops would be a little less pessimistic and you know, it's it's hard, it's hard with this job for sure. And then I wish people would understand that cops are just humans, or just there's nothing about being a cop that makes you any different. Does it make you like superhuman or like that you should have like superhuman abilities? You know, we cops deal with as humans very stressful, quick situations, situations are unraveling very quickly with limited information, right? Right. It is hard to always know that you're making the right decision. It's it's not it's not always an easy job. You can say whatever you want about cops, go do it, go do a ride-along. I would love people. Like here's another takeaway. If you really don't have a positive opinion about cops, go do write-along, spend time sitting next to a cop, and you could see what a cop is interacting with and dealing with on a day-to-day basis. So you have an idea of like really what what that that world is like. So, you know, I just wish people would realize that cops are just humans, and then we can't de-escalate every situation. We don't have a magical de-escalation wand that we can go, woo. Like, let me just let me explain to people getting into fight, every time I get into a fight, I'm in pain afterwards because I like pulled my back or twisted my knee. You know what I mean? I'm sweaty, I'm covering someone else's sweat and blood. It's like I don't want that. If I had a magical, you know, de-escalate one, I just would de-escalate the situation. It's not always you can escalate, you can absolutely escalate a situation. Sure. De-escalating is a little bit like they're either gonna listen to you or they're not. Yeah, I'm not gonna really be able to de-escalate someone who's just fucking ready to knock my teeth out.

SPEAKER_00: 53:03

Yeah, uh, I've certainly experienced that a little bit when I worked in the mental health field myself at a not very well-run mental health facility.

SPEAKER_05: 53:11

That's all of them, unfortunately. It's a majority.

SPEAKER_00: 53:14

Not very many, not very many good ones. But ultimately, I think, as you mentioned, the ultimate takeaway of this episode would certainly be positivity over negativity.

SPEAKER_03: 53:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 53:23

Love over hatred. All we're really bombarded with a lot of times is the negativity of things. And you and I mentioned I through different situations that we talked about is why aren't we hearing the positive side? Why are we trying to lean so heavily into the hatred and the negativity? So great. If nothing else, positivity over negativity. And hopefully, hopefully with your with your um testimony, people can get a much better idea of what you guys go through and and really that your guys aren't bad either. Because unfortunately, you guys often have bad reputations.

SPEAKER_05: 54:00

Yeah. And I it's not that I don't understand it. I understand like I can look objectively at society and like why they would look at certain cop because uh to be honest, I see things the cops do and I go, what the what the fuck are they doing? Like, why are they doing that? Like, that is wrong. That's objectively wrong. But unfortunately, people see that and they apply it to every other option.

unknown: 54:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 54:23

Yeah. So I imagine you watch do you watch cop videos like I watch drug videos? Do you watch them a lot?

SPEAKER_05: 54:31

I w I would I wouldn't say I watch them a lot, but I do watch them for uh training like purposes. Like I guess I consider training. I want to see what cops do right and wrong. Um use it for your own. Yeah, if I come into that situation myself, I can go, oh, you know, like maybe I can refer to this or whatever. Um some some cops on on YouTube, like they're very, very good at their jobs. So they're very articul you know, they articulate what they're doing very well and things like that, and like they are able to communicate with people very effectively, and you know, I just want to pick up on tactics like that. Or see what not to do. I see videos all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 55:12

Seeing what not to do is just as important. Absolutely. Okay. I love it, man. Uh, this was uh this was really good. You got anything else you want to add, my friend? I just I love you and I miss you. I love you too. Thanks for thanks for listening. I was naked the entire time for no reason. I wish I would have been able to focus. Ryan, go ahead and show your ass to the camera. We've been talking about it. All right. All right, well, thanks for listening. Um, Ryan, do you have anywhere you want people to follow you on socials? Or do you give a shit? No, leave me alone. Well, they're already finding you because you're gorgeous. So you don't have to look hard. Just look for the gorgeous TikTok golfer, weightlifter, occasionally reviewing movies guy. Yep. And you'll find him. All right, guys, this is Bottom Hui. Beat the mental health out of it. Try to like, follow, subscribe, uh, share with your brethren Oski's and your girl Renoskies. We need to get the message out there of positivity. That's what we're going for here. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. And as we always say, don't look to the bottle, the knife, or the gun. Do you know the rest of it? I always ask the guests. Look to the soul you'll become. Hey.

SPEAKER_05: 56:21

Yeah.

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You do listen to the show. Yeah. All right. Definitely soul. Yeah. If I remember correctly. All right. Thanks, everybody. Stay tuned for next week's episode.